Stand activity doesn't work with standing desks (oh the irony)

Right, but it should feel COOL to the touch, not WARM.

Lithium chemistry batteries don't like heat and they suffer from premature death if they are charged at high (which isn't much over body temperature -- 37C) temperatures. I need to put the Watch on the charger soon and I'll take its temperature when I get a chance.

While I've got you here - how many hours per day do you get from a charge, and how many total "Move" minutes of activity do you have in a typical day? Apparently my Watch may actually have a defective battery, which while inconvenient could give me an excuse to have it replaced.

julie78787 wrote:

And if I tell you the hardware is perfectly fine, why do you insist I keep having someone tell me the hardware is perfectly fine? Which part of "the hardware is perfectly fine" aren't you understanding?

I'm understanding that, from your description, the watch is not working the way it is supposed to. To me, that means everything is NOT perfectly fine. However, as it is your watch and as you seem to have found a solution that makes you happy, I'm not going to argue with you about it. However, I will, if I notice you telling people that you know the truth, that your watch is most likely faulty and they should expect better from their watches.

No, I don't get more than 24 hours without charging it, mostly because I charge it every night. But, even if I didn't charge it, as noted, it's not expected to get more than 24 hours use on a charge.

Right, so 18 hours isn't even a DAY. That's a hardware design flaw -- "bad hardware". To use it all day, I have to charge TWICE a day. I have this down to an exact science - I charge in the morning and again in the evening.

Every other smart watch I've owned (3, so this is my 4th) lasts well over 24 hours. Two different Android watches averaged 30+ hours on a charge and my Pebble last about a week. All are smart watches, all have radios (BT or WiFI), all accept push notifications, have apps, screens, etc. All three even have "always on" displays. They all last over 24 hours -- minimum -- on a charge.

Every other Apple device I own (about a dozen) that runs on a battery (about half of those has battery life far longer than competitor (Android ...) products with the singular exception of the Watch.

Right, but it should feel COOL to the touch, not WARM.

No. If the recharging process were to generate no heat it wouldn't be recharching, they shouldn't be hot to the touch though.

Calories burned can only be a guide, no device is going to be accurate, If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself. I find the Apple watch to be reasonably consistent with some other devices and not others.

Sorry, I think you have read too much nonsense on the internet.

julie78787 wrote:

Right, so 18 hours isn't even a DAY. That's a hardware design flaw -- "bad hardware". To use it all day, I have to charge TWICE a day. I have this down to an exact science - I charge in the morning and again in the evening.

Most people sleep for some portion of a 24 hour period, many of them for more than 6 hours. I suspect, if I tried, I'd get a fair bit more than 18 hours on days I don't run. But, even on days I do, I put my watch on at about 6:30am and put it on to charge at about 12am. I don't recall ever having less than 30% battery left.

The only time since I got it at launch that I've had to charge it twice during the day was when something went wrong and some background process got stuck (email if I recall correctly). I reset the watch and haven't had the problem since.

Right, so 18 hours isn't even a DAY.

It's more than a day's worth of waking hours for most people.

We've already told you the watch lasts a day for us, if yours doesn't there is something wrong with it.

That's a hardware design flaw

No, charging whilst asleep is a perfect design. It's the design that lasts for 30 hours that's poor, it's quite pointless in a world where the life cycle is 24 hours.

Every other Apple device I own (about a dozen) that runs on a battery (about half of those has battery life far longer than competitor (Android ...) products with the singular exception of the Watch.

If your iPhones' batteries are lasting longer than any equivalently priced Android phone made in the last 2 years, you have some very special iPhones. The iPhone 6, at least, isn't in the same league, battery wise as the Droid Turbo 2 or the Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge +, both of which I've owned. (I could be misunderstanding what you're saying as there seem to be some punctuation anomalies with the sentence I quoted.)

Thanks - this is helpful.

I wear my watch while I sleep because I'm a chronic insomniac (I sleep 5-6 hours a night, and that's a lot for me) and I find that looking at my overnight heart rate is helpful in determining that I did or didn't sleep well more accurately than how I "feel". So, I'll charge as soon as I'm done all the morning email and whatnot, then work, then charge again in the afternoon. If I don't charge in the afternoon the battery is too low to make it through whatever workout I've got piled up in the evening on those days when I'm slammed. I average about 90 minutes per day of "Exercise" - typically 30 minutes in the morning, then 60 minutes in the afternoon. It's when that 60 minutes in the afternoon turns into 60 minutes after 8 or 9 PM that things get super dicey.

To be blunt, I buy Apple products because they just plain work and they work better than everything else on the market. There's something like $7-8K worth of Apple gear in my house (and I'm single!) and this Watch will be the death of me yet.

julie78787 wrote:

While I've got you here - how many .. "Move" minutes of activity do you have in a typical day?

The Move goal is measured in Active Energy (calories or kilojoules, depending on your region and/or preference).

My iPhone 6S is a DREAM compared to any Android phone I've ever used, which has been a LOT of them. I didn't get an iPhone when they first came out because I was with Sprint. After years of dealing with horrible Android battery life I am SO relieved to have finally dumped it. I'm in cell phone heaven with that thing.

Jonathan -

"The Move goal is measured in Active Energy (calories or kilojoules, depending on your region and/or preference)."

Right, and that's not an answer to the question you were asked. What is your average daily "Move" goal and/or recorded amount? The more you "Exercise" and/or "Move" the more your Watch battery is expending energy tracking all of that activity. And sorry for the lack of clarity -- how many MINUTES are you MOVING might be a better way of asking it. I doubt the Watch cares if a 60 minute workout is 400 calories per hour or 800 calories per hour ...

I can't make a post in this entire forum without you responding, and if you're just going to keep responding it would be useful if you made helpful responses.

Right, and that's not an answer to the question you were asked. What is your average daily "Move" goal and/or recorded amount? The more you "Exercise" and/or "Move" the more your Watch battery is expending energy tracking all of that activity.

I don't believe that is correct.

I believe the battery use is not any different if you burn 200 calories or 2,000 calories. I believe the watch uses additional battery for monitoring your heart more often if you have initiated an exercise, but you don't need to initiate an exercise for the watch to count your calorie burn.

FWIW, my calorie burn varies day by day from 6-700 on a lazy day to around 3,000 when I spend a day cycling.

Winston -

I went back and edited my post before you replied to clear that up - what I meant to ask was how many MINUTES of exercise to reach the MOVE goal. The green LEDs sometimes get stuck "On" when the Watch gets confused by too much going on around it. I'm going to try Meg's suggestion and put it in Airplane mode whenever I'm exercising indoors and it doesn't need to have the radios powered on, as well as using Airplane mode at night when I don't care what notifications I have.

If you initiate an exercise it only clocks up exercise when your heart rate is above a certain level (which varies from person to person), so essentially you could go for an hour walk but only get 5 minutes of exercise credit but it will be working harder monitoring your heart more regularly for an hour. So as you can see the amount of minutes you have clocked up on the green dial doesn't have any bearing on how long it's been using more power.

If I go for a brisk walk I find I lose about 10 minutes where it doesn't clock up any exercise, this is usually regardless of how long I walk for, I tend to put this down to warming up. If I go cycling, I find I rarely miss a minute of exercise credit.

I've already told you I often go cycling for 3-5 hours and have cycling exercise turned on all the time, my battery lasts me, I don't believe anyone can complain at that. (7 hours cycling does put the watch below 10% and into reserve mode though)

Ah-ha! I've seen the same thing with losing minutes if I'm not exercising "hard enough" for an unknown value of "hard enough". I went for a brisk walk with a co-worker - same route, pace, distance - and his Watch measured more total everything than mine. I also found that if I was maybe 100 calories shy of my "Move" goal in the evening that it was hit-or-miss if the same path produced the same result.

On the other hand, HIIT always captures all the time, so long as I stay between say 110 and 165 bpm (I'm 53 and my "maximum" heart rate is supposedly 167, so I don't get into the 170s or 180s like when I was younger).

The other thing I do to make sure all my "Move" calories are captured is not end the workout until my heart rate is below 80 or 90 bpm - I found that from stationary bikes and treadmills where the calories-per-minute were much lower (maybe 4 calories per minute the first 10 minutes) at the beginning than the end (maybe 8-10 calories per minute or more).

I'm waiting on the weather to get a little better before I replace my old English racer with something that has fatter tires and a softer seat. I used to go for 50-100 mile rides on a more regular basis and one of my goals is to get back to doing that.