I can't transfer Apple Music to iPod Nano

But there is offline listening on Apple Music.

Also, just to make things more interesting... I CAN transfer offline tracks from My Music that I got from Apple Music to my Watch. The actual files live on my Watch and can be played without an Internet connection.

There should be no difference in the licensing that makes that possible versus the licensing it would take to allow users to sync tracks to their iPods.

I think this is either a feature they'll roll out with an iPod line refresh/firmware update. Or something they just didn't care enough about to implement because the iPod market doesn't matter to Apple.

It already exists, it's called the iPod Touch.

There is offline listening for the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, all Macs, iPod Touch and the Apple Watch. What do they all have in common? They run iOS or a variant of it and they all have WiFi.

deggie wrote:

There is offline listening for the iPad, iPad Mini, iPhone, all Macs, iPod Touch and the Apple Watch. What do they all have in common? They run iOS or a variant of it and they all have WiFi.

Yes, they all have wi-fi, but they will also continue to play offline music if you have no wi-fi connection (airplane mode, no router, etc.)

Tell me how a machine with no internet connection can log in to your Apple Music account?

Not sure I understand your point. The Apple Watch doesn't have the sort of WiFi that allows it to independently connect to the internet or Apple Music.

I'm just noting that a few people drew the distinction between offline listening and transferring files to a device without independent connection to the internet as an issue of *transferring* files.

Basically, people are saying It's one thing to make a file available offline on a single device — transferring that file to another device is something else. That could very well be the case (think Spotify and other streaming music services).

However, the Apple Watch pokes a hole in that theory. It doesn't have an independent connection to the internet. For the most part, it acts as a fancy remote control for music playing on the iPhone EXCEPT for when you *transfer* song files to the device for offline listening (if you don't have a Watch you're not going to understand this distinction).

When you make songs available offline on your watch (both before and after Apple Music) - you literally have to send the file to your Watch so it can play the track from its internal memory. I am TRANSFERRING Apple Music M4Ps to my Watch (you can't download these files on the Watch independently - you must transfer from your phone).

What makes transferring Apple Music M4Ps from iTunes on the desktop to a Nano any different? The Nano has practically the same connectivity as the Apple Watch (Bluetooth I don't know if it has that ad hoc wifi chip but that's not what the Watch uses to connect to the Internet). I think that's the frustration/confusion/

I am frustrated like most of you guys.

I use my iPod Nano for workouts. Generally speaking Apple should be well aware that music plays a major role in sports.

In my opinion my iPhone 6, which for some stupid reason keeps getting bigger and bigger, is way to bulky and intrusive for running.

So Apple, please make Apple Music's content available on my iPod nano. Everything else is a bit of a deal breaker!!!

BTW, if the Apple Watch could be used as a standalone running watch, including GPS, this might be suitable alternative...

No, it doesn't poke a hold in the two things I listed. The Watch can connect to WiFi independently and the uses will expand with appleWatch OS 2.0. It also has a full CPU and runs a version of iOS. The iPod Nano and Shuffle do neither of these things.

I've said this before, the fact that subscription music cannot be put on your Nano does not make in unusable in sports. Before there was Apple Music I assume you were putting music on it and working for sports.

Everyone would love to see a watch with standalone GPS, cell connections, etc. but there will have to be a major battery breakthrough before that happens. Maybe with the Apple Watch 4th Generation.

looks like poor quality of Apple Music in combination with the Ipod Nano. It's obvious that I do not want to use bulky devices such as my iphone or ipod touch for workouts! While it is NOT possible to transfer Apple Music to a Nano device this can be done by Spotify without any issues. So do I have to go back to Spotify again and can not stick with my beloved and long awaited Apple Music... Think about it Apple.

Does Spotify know you are hacking their system? I already posted here that Spotify on their page clearly states they are not compatible with the iPod Shuffle, Nano, or Classic. None of the major subscription services are.

Nobody is hacking the system. You download the song on spotify add it to itunes and it is possible to transfer the file to the ipod nano. Now you let me know why you call it hacking spotify.

Doesn't play on mine.

If Spotify is working for you then your problem is solved.

The new ipods were released today, but only the Touch supports Apple Music files. No update for the Shuffle that would allow the Apple Music files to be uploaded with a new sort of subscription verification plan.

We all understand that nothing is changed with the Nano or Shuffle if we don't switch to Apple Music, but I like Apple Music and was hoping to switch to it completely. Since it's Apple's main music focus at this point, it was reasonable to think they would make it work on all their music playing devices.

Running with a bulky iPhone is not for everyone.

The sad part is, that Apple can easily do this. Spotify has already been doing the offline play with their app for years. You just have to connect once every 30 days, so that it can verify your account. If your account has lapsed when you connect to check it does not allow them to be played offline. Apple could easily do the same thing with an app update so it knows to stop allowing those songs to be played after so much time if it is not connected to your iTunes. So I will probably be returning my iPod Gen 7 to the store since I only got it for Apple Music. None of their employees notified me that it would not work, when I told them that is what I was getting for.