Will Live Photos be available on iPhone 6 or iOS9 also?

You missed my point entirely. If I make and sell a product that people want badly enough to stand in line for hours or stay up in the middle of the night to order it and I can't make enough to supply that demand I don't need to play games with minor features to "force" people to upgrade. Anyone who upgraded just for a gimmicky feature like Live Photo isn't very reasonable anyway.

The biggest thing Apple came up with to "force" people to upgrade was the iPhone Upgrade program.

I find it odd that so many people will quickly accept that 3D Touch is new hardware but immediately dismiss new camera features as hardware. But then I remember there are a lot of young people out there that are totally ignorant of camera technology altogether and smartphone camera hardware in particular and it makes sense.

Nothing and no one forces ANYONE to upgrade. You buy a new phone by CHOICE, Or are you truly that enslaved by your technology that you've truly given up all independent thought and action. There are people still happily using first generation iPhones because they do what they need a smart PHONE for and so they refuse to get caught up by the up-grade fever that some people seem compelled by for no logical reason. I'm amazed by how many adults never seem to have grown out of that childhood confoundment of "want" versus "need". Guess it at least explains why so many people carry so much consumer credit debt constantly.

oneduality wrote:

... they are dishonest when it comes to those sorts of things to keep people in the bi-annual upgrade cycle ..

Live Photos will basically be pointless on a phone that does not have 3D Touch. Even if you were able to get a Live Photo onto an iPhone 6, how will you play it? The only way to play Live Photos is by pressing into the screen using 3D Touch. Therefore, Live Photos would be pointless, don't you think?

You will be able to play Live Photos on older phones just through a different mechanism.

"You missed my point entirely. If I make and sell a product that people want badly enough to stand in line for hours or stay up in the middle of the night to order it and I can't make enough to supply that demand I don't need to play games with minor features to "force" people to upgrade. Anyone who upgraded just for a gimmicky feature like Live Photo isn't very reasonable anyway."

lol, have you met capitalism? It's all about making features indispensable and unavailable on earlier versions. And apparently you haven't met an American either, we're manipulated by marketing to within an inch of our lives. Just check out any video on "the new version of iOS" where they show them an android device, or vice versa. It shows that people react to the marketing of a name over substance.

"I find it odd that so many people will quickly accept that 3D Touch is new hardware but immediately dismiss new camera features as hardware." As you mentioned, it will just be accessible through a different mechanism. I accept that it won't be through a force touch, but it seems insane to act like taking a video before and after and slapping them all together into one package is just beyond the capabilities of an iPhone 6.

And I won't dismiss that camera features sometimes require hardware. I was annoyed when the 6 didn't come with optical image stabilization and the 6+ did, but I didn't swear that it was just a feature to be enabled...because I knew there was hardware behind it in the actual camera that allowed for the lenses to move and ensure a stable photo. But that isn't the same as a Live Photo.

Actually I have the iPhone 6 and had to upgrade my husbands old model iPhone as it stopped charging and working so I just got him an iPhone 6s. We have tested this and if he takes a Live Photo on his phone and I sync it with mine, the Live Photo does work on my phone.

Agreed. My original comment was aim just at Live Photos functionality and not Force Touch.

I agree the camera has been upgraded don't get me wrong and it's much better than the 8M one but I believe for Live Photos only, from my reading of the technology and being that my husband is a trained photographer and engineer, the Live PhIto functionality can be enable via software for early models.

Regarding Force Touch, yes this is a hardware and software upgrade but like I said I got my iPhone 6 to utilize Live Photo functionality. I can't take a live photo but I can view a live photo by just pressing in my screen.

Your husband builds cameras for smartphones? Has your husband explained how much of the features of a professional camera are in the firmware of the camera body and in the lenses. If you ask him to he can probably do just a bit of research regarding smartphone camera manufacturers and learn of the competitive nature and features competition between the various manufacturers. The slow motion feature, stop motion on the Samsung, etc., all were added by smartphone camera manufacturers. Could this be added to an iPhone through software in iOS on the 6s? Sure, wouldn't be as elegant nor near as fast.

All of this was hashed and rehashed when Apple released AirPlay on the MacBook Pro and the same arguments were made. Why couldn't Apple just write the software so earlier models could have it? AirParrot can do it. But all Apple was doing was calling an API in a new Intel chipset and calling it AirPlay. Windows PCs using the same Intel chipset could do the same thing and called it something else.

I am curious. Many people talking about the hardware of the camera making the difference for Live Photos on the 6S series phones, some citing the phones shutter as the reason. I did a quick google search, that seemed to confirm my suspicions that the phone's camera does not actually have a sutter - making the shutter a software function. I understand that Live Photos rely on the hardware of the 3D Touch display, as the software is currently written, but I also feel that this feature could easily be implimented into older heardware. If they could write the code to accept a volume button to activate the capture (say volume down to capture a standard photo, and volume up to capture a Live Photo), I am confident that the 6 series phones could easily capture Live Photos. Apple (much like other phone manufactuers) do intentionally leave features for their latest hardware, even if said feature is a software feature. I mean, look at Android devices. Many devices are left out of new versions of the OS.

No because the the 6 has hardware that does not support.

THen please explain the lack of a front facing flash? That should onlt be a software thing, but is only available on the 6S series devices.

You didn't do a very good search then as smartphone cameras have electronic shutters rather than mechanical shutters.

I'd suggest you do a better search and discover who makes the smartphone cameras for Apple. LG, Samsung, etc. In defense of the smartphone makers that use android they also add new cameras that have features not present in previous models.

As to the front flash that has to be precisely timed with the camera and you would need a much better camera than previous front facing ones found on previous models of iPhones.

Exactly how many pages into google search should I go to find an article stating that the smartphone camera has an actual shutter at the camera? The iPhone camera is made by Sony, if I am not mistaken. I know they have been in the past, anway.

The front camera flash is ALL software, and not dependant on the camera hardware. Please explain how one would need a better camera in order for a flash to be useful? If they can time a shutter sound (which that is all it is, a sound file) to play when you take a picture, then they should be able to make the display flash brightly while doing it. The phone can do it when you take a screen shot.

Took me one article to find they use an electronic shutter and not a mechanical one. They have to have some type of shutter.

Apple has used a cameras from more than one source during the lifetime of their devices.

It is easy to time the artificial shutter sound (which is required by law in some countries) with a flash, you have a large margin of error present. It is much harder to do so to get a good picture. But even more critical is you need a camera that can use the light from the flash. Are you saying that the front camera on the iPhone 6 is just as good as the one on the iPhone 6s?

Yes. Electronic/virtual shutter, not a physical shutter. And, no, I never said the camera module used for the front facing camera was the same quality as the one used on the 6S. I know the 6S series devices have a higher resolution front camera module. What I was saying is that I do not see why the front camera cannot have a flash, since the 6S series phones use the display as the flash. That is the only hardware I see that is required, and all older model iPhones have it already. Both, the forward flash and Live Photo should be able to be implimented fairly easily on older eauipment if Apple wanted to. I do not see how the camera resolution has anything to do with either function.