Logic Pro X 10.2.1 - Tool menu keys changed to letters.

ruskyrusk wrote:

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Thank you for your time and testing!

I dont know what to do.

Do you think,its possible to downgrade to 10.2? I havent tried it yet...

You can try... and see what happens... just restore the app from your backups...

Worse scenario.... update again later if it doesnt work......

Anyhow.. no problem.. and sorry I couldn't find a solution.. If i do, Ill post it up in this same thread..

Cheers..

Nigel

I'm having the same problem, so frustrating! The developers are so arrogant when coming up with solutions to nonexistent problems!!! Did they even bother to look into how many people have been using this feature? I've been using it for so many years, it's become like second nature, now I have to relearn all these shortcuts. Just dumb.

exaltron wrote:

I'm having the same problem, so frustrating! The developers are so arrogant when coming up with solutions to nonexistent problems!!! Did they even bother to look into how many people have been using this feature? I've been using it for so many years, it's become like second nature, now I have to relearn all these shortcuts. Just dumb.

I would imagine that... (1.) They're now following Apple's programming guidelines or... (2.) It was designed to make it easier for Garageband updaters.

I'm actually going to go with.....

(1.) They're now following Apple's programming guidelines

...given the universal OS X use of ESC now to switch from Full Screen Mode to Windowed mode....

..and to be honest, though it's a bit of a wrench to my muscle memory, I actually like the idea of all the tools now being accessed by the first letter of their name... and am finding I'm quickly getting used to it.

Agreed. Why fix it if it ain't broke? There are too many Apple programs now that have been dumbed down. Very frustrating and disappointing. There are many of us who rely on Logic for our PROFESSIONAL work. Please stop changing this program for casual or amateur users who think that pasting drum loop makes them drummers. Ugh!

decibels wrote:

Agreed. Why fix it if it ain't broke?

Because it apparently was broke....... and so it did need fixing... (Apple App Design Guidelines in part)

There are too many Apple programs now that have been dumbed down. Very frustrating and disappointing. There are many of us who rely on Logic for our PROFESSIONAL work

Note: I don't disagree with this sentiment.. Not in the slightest....

But this is one change I can see the point of and actually improves my workflow... once I got used to it 🙂

exaltron wrote:

I'm having the same problem, so frustrating! The developers are so arrogant when coming up with solutions to nonexistent problems!!! Did they even bother to look into how many people have been using this feature? I've been using it for so many years, it's become like second nature, now I have to relearn all these shortcuts. Just dumb.

It seems that a lot of what is mentioned on this thread so far is based on the lack of proper understanding how the Tools work. Let me point out a few things to provide some more information on that topic. I also recommend reading the few pages on my free book "Logic Pro X - What's New in 10.2.1". There, I provide a more in-depth discussion about the Tools and how the new changes and additions fit into that.

Here is what you have to keep in mind:

• Change is always interruptive. Lot of people don't like change, because it gets them out of their comfort zone. Of course, change is not always good, but you have to try it first before judging it. Unfortunately, with Apple, you better love the change, because you often don't have an option not to use it.
• The Tool Menu (I call it Floating Tool Menu) that opens with the Key Command T (previously esc) provides Key Equivalents that temporarily have priority over the same Key Equivalents that you assign in the Key Commands, as long as the Floating Tool Menu is open.
• There is a Key Command to Show/Hide that Floating Tool Menu called "Show Tool Menu" (It should be named "Show/Hide Tool Menu" or "Toggle Tool Menu". The default assignment for this Key Command was the esc key, but because that key is used system-wide for "Exit Full Screen Mode", Logic is using now the T key. You can reassign it back to the esc key, but if you are in Full Screen Mode, then the "Exit Full Screen Mode" command has priority.
• The assigned Key Equivalents in the Floating Tool Menu, are fixed and cannot be changed.. They couldn't be changed before either.
• The Key Equivalent had a sequential assignment before 10.2.1. That means, the available Tools (they are different for different windows!) were assigned the numbers 1,2,3... and then Q,W,E,R if more were needed. The main problem was that a specific Tool could have a different Key Equivalent in different Floating Tool Menus. That was bad, hard to remember! Now each Tool has a specific (fixed) Key Equivalent, which is most of time intuitive (first letter) and easy to remember. This is a major improvement and has nothing to do with arrogance or dumbing down (once you understand what is actually happening)
• One little detail. Whatever Key Equivalent is assigned in the Key Commands Window or the "Show Tool Menu", is not available in the Floating Tool Menu. That's why the "T" is missing next to the Text Tool (hit shift+T and and the Text Tool will be selected!). However, if you assign a different key than T to the Key Command "Show Tool Menu", then the Key Equivalent "T" appears next to the Text Tool again.
• Please check out the new Tool Latch Mode, that's where the real fun begins

So that is a lot of information, but necessary before judging the usefulness of new features or calling names.

Here is an overview of all the available Tools from the Tool Menu and Key Commands from my free book

Hope that helps

Edgar Rothermich - LogicProGEM.com

(Author of the "Graphically Enhanced Manuals")

http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/

'I may receive some form of compensation, financial or otherwise, from my recommendation or link.'

Thanks, Edgar, for taking the trouble to explain all this so clearly. My (admittedly minor) beef is that I have one of those printed silicone keyboard overlays, which is now incorrect for the tool menu. I have written to the manufacturer (Editors Keys) pointing this out. Anyway, now I know about these changes - and the logic behind having the same shortcut regardless of window - I'm sure I'll manage to learn them soon enough!

And thanks for the 'What's New in Logic Pro 10.2.1' book - lots to find out 😀

Has anyone found a keyboard cover for 10.2.1 and up yet?

I had this problem, I use esc/(number) constantly so the update really screwed me up. I called the support line and, despite the first time around getting nowhere, the second guy (Andreas was his name - All Hail Andreas) told me to scroll further down the "Key Command-Edit" menu because I had been trying to change the "Set Glue Tool" and "Set Scissors Tool" etc. as opposed to the drop down options of "Tool Menu" which were labelled as simply "Glue Tool" or "Scissors Tool". These latter ones I could change. It was pretty simple in the end, just a case of mistaken identity.