anyone else tired of forced Ios updates?

Again, planned obsolescence IS a myth and IS an oxymoron to many extents.

By the definition people use this term for, ANY new products that are put out on the market on a yearly schedule, EVEN CARS and TRUCKS, by these peoples’ definition, would be called planned obsolescence!

That is why some people don’t like technology.

They keep waiting for the next big thing and if they keep waiting, they’ll never purchase any technology!

The “next big thing” is always going to be “right around the corner”!

Right now it's very thin bezelled, 5K curved, flat screen TVs, BTW.

If companies that produce stuff didn’t continue to put out products year after year after, it wouldn't be long before companies went out of business due to falling sales and lack of forward thinking, improvements and innovation.

Kinda like what was hapenning to Henry Ford and his creation of the Model-T.

He's quoted as saying that the Model-T is the ONLY car everyone will EVER need or own, in the ONLY color you’ll ever need, black!

That's not forward thinking or innovating.

If it weren't for his younger brother and other car manufacturers pushing forward thinking and innovation, around the world in 2018, we’d all be still driving some sort of version of Henry Ford’s Model-T car, based on his own statements and sensibilities.

And I feel no need to purchase any new electronic devices on a regular timeline.

My wife and I still own and use IPad 2 and 3 models (6 and 7 year old devices) and I, also, own a 2-1/2 yeat old 64 Gbs iPod 6th gen (that replaced my nearly 8 year old, 8 GBs 2nd gen iPod Touch) and 12.9 inch IPad Pro, because I waited over 5 long years for larger screen iPads, not smaller screen iPads of which Apple has not introduce a new IPad Mini in nearly 2-1/2 years!

I’ll have my IPad Pro for, at least, 6 years and maybe longer.

I JUST purchased my very first new iPhone (a 32 GBs iPhone SE) for my wife who has gotten tired of her crummy 4 years old, El Cheapo and security risk-laden Android (Hemroid) phone.

I got this new iPhone very reasonably (paid much less than $200 for this phone) and can use it with our month to month pay-as-you-go mobile phone plan.

I am an IPad person. Never ever owned an iPhone until the beginning of 2018.

All of my older iDevices are still being supported by regular and daily app updates, currently, so I have no reasons to go out and purchase any more Appple devices until one of them dies and either I get the battery replaced or I start looking at new IPad models and some unknown future date!

I am one who tries not to fill landfills with old electronics devices, either. I have kept many of my older electronics devices which, in many cases, STILL work on their own, if they can or do still work, I still have these devices.

Not a big fan of e-waste, either.

I recycled, not trashed, my older TV and one older computer monitor in my over 20 plus years of using technology,only because of my serious health and heart issues, as these were older tube style TVs and way too heavy for me to haul around any longer with my severe weight limitations with my heart condition.

Here's my official response If you don't want to run an iOS upgrade/update.

For future reference there is a way to temporarily remove an iOS upgrade/update so it can't be downloaded at all.

Go into the Settings App, General Settings panel.

In the right hand column, tap Storage and iCloud Usage.

At the top in the first block of 3 panels where it is titled at the top of this block Storage, tap the panel that says Manage Storage.

A list of every app will generate itself.

Once this list stops generating, look through this list until you see something like iOS 10/11.x.x in this list.

Tap on the arrow at the far right on that iOS 10/11.x.x panel.

It will bring you to another screen that will allowing you to completely delete/remove the entire iOS upgrade/update.

This removal/deletion of an iOS upgrade/update is not permanent and may return at anytime when an iOS upgrade/update at some point will get re-pushed to your iDevice, where you can simply perform this procedure, again.

There ya’ go.

MichelPM wrote:

Again, planned obsolescence IS a myth and IS an oxymoron to many extents.

By the definition people use this term for, ANY new products that are put out on the market on a yearly schedule, EVEN CARS and TRUCKS, by these peoples’ definition, would be called planned obsolescence!

I am old enough to remember the original meaning of Planned Obsolescence, and it applied specifically to cars and trucks. The meaning has morphed, but originally it was a strategy to release a new model car every year that was radically different in looks from the previous year, so if you didn't update every couple of years everyone would know that you were driving an "old" car. The idea being that peer pressure would force you to upgrade frequently. Some large companies even required their employees to have a car less than 3 years old if they wanted to park it in the company parking lot.

Zanaelf wrote:

Well I saw a chap respond about cameras and things in the relationship with iDevices.

If you cant afford regularly buying new iPads like once every 3 years in order to keep up with performance and productivity ., and only have the option to use an iPad until it dies or being eco-freindly reducing the landfill of electronic garbage to have consideration for the planet over capitalism causing planned obselesence...

One of my iPads is 5 1/2 years old. It works as well as it did when it was new. It has the latest version of iOS that it will support. It doesn't work as well as my iPad 5th Generation, but it still does the same job it did 5 1/2 years ago.

Sure it would do the same job if it is basic tasks, like checking email, browse the web, waste time on social media, playing music and watching vids(depends on video resolution)... But it would lag with your art programs. Will you have to reduce the number of layers in an artwork to prevent the app from lagging as you draw with your stylus/pencil ? It depends on what you use your iPad for.

That's true Zanaelf, yes there are apps such as the phenomenally clever new, very professional photographic editing and retouching app "Affinity Photo for iPad." It works flawlessly on the first 12.9 inch iPad Pro and some of the later iPads, the list seems to include IPad Air 2 (check as there's some doubt about that one), iPad 2017, iPad Pro 9.7 inch, 10.5 inch and 12.9 inch, but not, for instance, on my old iPad 2.

However, seeing that it works with several formats, including RAW, and can produce many non destructive layers and save with those layers to and retreive from your chosen cloud storage, it does not require above ios 10.3. I assure you that I have no ties to Seriph when I say that it's full spec and mighty reasonable for its spectacular capabilities. I rave about it, but no, you are right, there are indeed good reasons to buy newer IPads, but only if you need their capabilities.

It was me that wrote the rather critical, but I hope you agree, relevant post that drew comparisons between Apple hard and software upgrades and Sony's camera marketing methods. Within minutes Apple turned presidential and removed it, saying my post was "not technical enough, or possibly off subject." I.e. They didn't like that information being posted and censored it. I'm a journalist and it can always appear elsewhere - including their no reply censoring email. We'll see.

Within minutes Apple turned presidential and removed it, saying my post was "not technical enough, or possibly off subject." They didn't like that information being posted and censored it

Their yard. Their rules.

This community is not a place to debate Apple's decisions or policies. Follow Babowa's link and see what you accepted to be here in the first place.

Not defending Apple... explaining the rules.

EXXXXACTLY!!!

I bought a phone from you Apple...It cost me £1000... I like it, it’s great. I don’t want it to be better. I don’t need it to be improved. I don’t want more. I just want to continue with what I have and own! It’s mine. Not yours!

Everyone knows you use these updates to ruin our things so we buy your new things! It’s not a secret, it’s a fact! Leave me and my stuff alone, and I’ll actually continue to buy things from you at a rate that MY income can support!

You are not addressing anyone of import from Apple here.

We are all just users here, just like you!

Based on your comments, you are not going to like the up and coming iDevice lineups for 2018.

More new improved iPads, iPhones, and Macs and accessories come every single year from Apple.

Your new $1000 iPhone X WILL have a new and improved version for 2018. Maybe NO or more minimized notch for all of the Face ID stuff on the new, improved flagship iPhone!

This is what product and technology companies do!

They produce new and improved products year after year after year!

It will never stop or end.

If you can’t deal with this idea, then you shouldn't be purchasing any technology and, especially, expensive smart phones costing $1000+! Jeesh!

Learn to be grateful to have been able to purchase what you have!

No one pushes me to purchase anything I do not need or want right away and I do not need the latest greatest technologies.

I have NO iPhone. I purchased an iPhone SE for my wife because the full paying price was spectacularly cheap at the holidays! This is the first iPhone my wife and I have ever owned!

We both have 6-7 year old iPads we still use. I have a 2-1/2 iPad Pro and iPod Touch!

My wife and I STILL use 8-9 year old iMacs!

Yet, Apple, every year, comes out with new and improved products to sell to both old and new customers.

This is never going to stop for ANY product producing companies and industries.

Be happy with what you have for an Apple product and be happy you were in a financial position to be able to purchase the Apple products you have.

Enjoy that iPhone X you purchased! It will STILL be a remarkable device!

I don’t understand why iPhone users, ESPECIALLY, feel the need to upgrade their expensive iPhones every 2-3 years!

When I get ready to get my first iPhone, it is going to be a 2-3 year old, less expensive iPhone model, too!

Either another SE OR an iPhone 6/6S OR if the price is right, maybe an iPhone 7.

I am waiting it out until older iPhones get to a price point that I feel is reasonable for my wallet!

After all, it just a cell phone!

Installing an ios update is technical, what else would it be? Technically speaking, talking about problems (that we are all having, not to say expecting and dreading) after a technical update is what this technical thread is about. To say that Apple doesn't appear to tolerate criticism from customers is technically correct. I have two technical questions related to the unwanted downloads that Apple 🍎 is kind enough to make to my Apple products and that come with a technically delayed popup, heavily balanced towards installing it, it's technically too easy to hit "install later" and miss the technically tiny "remind me later" line. Was it too technically difficult to include a "No thank you, don't ask me again" button? Technically, I go straight to the (technical) gear wheel 'manage storage' and remove the unwanted update. My second question is this, is it technically possible for any company to include program code so that when an update is delayed with a technical click, other unwanted things start to gradually happen to the technical aspects of the product? I strongly suspect that it is technically possible, but heaven forbid that anbody would suggest that a company of Apple's quality might indulge in such technical practices, as that would seem to be a conspiracy theory.

Only one of my iDevices is still on iOS 10.3.3.

I dismiss the iOS 11 upgrades/updates only like every 10-15 days, or so.

Have not run into any operational issues caused by dismissing an upgrade or update.

Every time I clear my iPad of an upgrade/update, I follow it up with a hard reset of my iPad to gain back the space that the upgrade/update took.

There is NO “hidden” code that slows down any device or Mac, for that matter, if you choose not to accept any type of OS upgrade/update.

Unfortunately the industry is moving toward the 'rental' direction:

I was in a meeting in 1999 where Intel guys were saying that the trend was going to be renting software and purchase would become a thing of the past. I didn't really think much of it, but now, in 2018, it's definitely shaping that way.

Products becoming services, etc and, in the end, your data is not your data anymore if you skip a payment. Microsoft wants everyone to move to Office 365, Adobe is trying to get everyone to rent their software, and the list keep growing.

Similarly, with Windows 10, Microsoft is now deciding when it updates, what it updates and can install apps for you when they feel like it.

Chromebooks are the perfect example of a device where you have no control over the software.

I think Apple is just another company like that: you own the hardware, but they want to keep control on the software and make sure you don't deviate from the rules they have set. They are auto downloading the updates in a never ending fashion, and leaving you with the only option to update now or update later. It is a matter a time until it becomes forced like Windows 10.

If they wanted to add a 'no thanks, I'll stay on my old version' button, they would have, but this is not the way any of this is going right now.

Personally speaking my next phone, whatever it will be, will have to give me total access and have an audio jack.

I have two technical questions related to the unwanted downloads that Apple is kind enough to make to my Apple products and that come with a technically delayed popup, heavily balanced towards installing it, it's technically too easy to hit "install later" and miss the technically tiny "remind me later" line.

Asking other users about Apple's policies and decisions is a waste of time - we do not know and we aren't allowed to discuss it either. You should be addressing them with Apple.

FWIW, I have carefully removed your emoji while quoting parts of your post as it was very difficult to read.

And, another FWIW: I have a flip phone over which I have total control. It does exactly what a phone is supposed to do: make and receive calls and those are the only features I use. I would never buy a phone for such an obscene price when I could buy an iPad or computer for the same amount.

"Asking other users about Apple's policies and decisions is a waste of time - we do not know and we aren't allowed to discuss it either. You should be addressing them with Apple."

Many questions are rhetorical here, they're just to address some frustrations and to discover if other users have found solutions and workarounds.

It fits in the context of the forums since users are genuinely looking for solutions and many may be of technical nature; it also serves as a warning for newcomers that may be deciding to move to iPhones/iPads.

The only 2 real solutions I have found to not be harassed by updates are to leave almost no free space, and it won't try to download the update, or the other way that if you mention it by name here your post gets deleted.

iOS devices are pretty much immune to viruses, Trojans and other malware. Bu this is only true if you keep them updated to the latest version. So by not updating you are leaving your phone open to invasion. All of the recent “point” releases (11.2.1 to 11.2.6) fix serious vulnerabilities.