anyone else tired of forced Ios updates?

to leave almost no free space, and it won't try to download the update,

Dubious strategy IMO.

This may achieve your short term goal but may doom your phone to possible ongoing misbehaviour due to a lack of free storage.

It strikes me that we are mostly on the same page with this matter. Lawrence, I know you have quite a collection of Apple iPhones and iPads and are knowledgeable about update matters. However, as you say, ios 11 .+.+ has needed endless patches to fix technical vulnerabilities and technical errors introduced with .... Ios 11 +++. That is exactly our point really.

Thomas D, you are correct, a couple of my technical questions were almost rehetorical... almost. I've long heard of the rental route, but I personally don't think to sell you an item that doesn't work without renting specific software for it over which you have no control would for last long. Other companies will surface offering less cumbersome deals. In any case it would be like Ford selling you a car with a rented motor that keeps showing vulnerabilities such as causing the door locks to fail and faults such as the battery going flat in a hurry and the ca's speed dropping to 30 mph while filling the boot space with technical stuff.

I don't use 90% of my iPhone's actual technical capabilities, my next phone will be simple, reliable (and vastly less expensive). I stopped buying new phones as my iPhone 4s ios was updated once too often.

babowa wrote:

And, another FWIW: I have a flip phone over which I have total control. It does exactly what a phone is supposed to do: make and receive calls and those are the only features I use. I would never buy a phone for such an obscene price when I could buy an iPad or computer for the same amount.

I couldn't agree more.

I purchased a 32 GBs iPhone SE, through Walmart.com, for my wife, just after the end of the holidays in 2018.

Paid in full for $160.

I was able to purchase an additional Mophie battery case and docking unit for only another additional $25.

Total cost of the iPhone SE with taxes was STILL slightly under $200!

That phone offer has a SIM that supports our monthly “pay as you go” cellular plan under Family Mobile (part of T-Mobile).

That was a GREAT deal for an iPhone!

I will wait it out for another year, until around the holidays, again, to see what iPhones Walmart will discount with support for our monthly plan to get an iPhone for myself.

Not paying $300 or more for an iPhone, if I can help it.

I don't want to update my iOS. why should I be forced to upgrade my iPad and iPhone? It doesn't allow me to download and use my Pages, Keynotes, and numbers documents. I hate that politic. my devices are already slow. I don't want to upgrade. Please understand your user satisfaction. I've already spend around $7k for Apple. I'm not happy. Please respect me as a user.

@Michel, you know very well that the word 'forced' is a figure of speech here.

would you prefer if we swapped it for the word 'harassed'?

Messages about updates where you can't say 'no', just 'later', updates downloaded without asking the user, all your space taken by an update you don't want, the updated being re-downloaded over and over and over and over and over when you delete it, apps sending you warning messages for low memory because the update is back yet again, bandwidth used regardless if you happen to be on a very expensive metered connection (plane or boat)...

So, yes, we're not 'forced' to update, we're just harassed by something a sizeable group doesn't want on the device they bought and own.

Mods saying regularly that we're not forced are not helping anything or anyone finding a solution for this, it's just irritating people.

The solutions I have found:

- keep almost no memory free on the devices: the update doesn't download and you don't get the annoying popup. It may not work for everyone, but it really works 100%

- block apple.com on your router and any access point you are using. It will work, but you may end up using wifi at some point somewhere else and you'll be harassed to update once again.

- use the method we can't name here, it also works 100%

The solution that will work for me in a near future:

- buy another brand that lets you really own the device you bought.

How often are you or anyone else here “harassed” by the software upgrades/updates message/dot?

I only get harrased with the iOS update downloading to my iDevices every few weeks, or so.

Here’s a little tip they may help with reducing the amount of times a iOS upgrade/update gets pushed to your iDevices from Apple’s software update servers.

Some, or maybe, many iDevice users are not aware of how they can minimise the frequency with which they are receiving these iOS upgrade/update downloads from Apple’s software download servers.

If I keep my iDevices fully charged up during the day, so I don’t have to charge them up while I am sleeping, I won't get the iOS upgrades/updates downloaded to my iDevices, as Apple’s servers, usually, push the updates to your iDevices ONLY if you are charging your iDevices overnight where Apple pushes these iOS upgrades/updates to your iDevices AFTER 2:00 AM.

OR IF you have no choice, but to charge your iDevices overnight while you are sleeping, turn OFF Wifi and not only will the iOS upgrade/update NOT get pushed to your device, it will charge quicker with Wifi and online access has been ceased for the evening.

You do not have to go to the extreme condition YOU seem to be using and advocating!

At any rate, I usually just delete it with no real contempt or malice about it.

I could understand if someone was getting harassed with upgrading/updating iOS every single day or every other day or, maybe, even once a week!

But if once every two to three weeks the upgrade/update appears, I really don't see this as really being harassed, but maybe more of a minor annoyance, at best.

The terms “harassed” and “forced”, in this context, seem like an extreme reaction.

I have an example: a while back I had to make a video, in a rush, of a situation potentially leading to a physical altercation.

I couldn't because my free space had been taken by the update and I can't, in a moment like that, tell everyone to wait while I go to settings, find the update and delete it. Imagine if things had gone really bad and there would be no document of this event because Apple decided that me having their last update was more important than my ability to use my phone in a rush?

This is my example, I'm sure similar situations happened to others.

Apple is not the only offender, some people have had significant problems with Windows 10 deciding to update and reboot by itself at the wrong time. However, for Microsoft the community is probably more lenient since we're still euphoric for the past 6-7 years where it doesn't crash randomly anymore.

But my point is that manufacturer deciding to control your device is something unacceptable and there starts to be a clear division about products which are respecting their users and those which do not.

I don't have that problem at all on the Mac, I can update when I want and it will never shut down in the middle of something important, take my space, etc without me initiating the process.

But I know now that I can't trust an iphone in a matter of emergency.

You dont have to update your iOS, BUT the reasons why it is important to update , is you get security updates with the software updates especially if you do banking, shopping and paying bills. I myself have my main OS on Mavericks because of GUI and cognitive reasons stayed on iOS8 on iPad because of lag in art-paint programs , but keep up to date on iPhone, where iPhone is used for my finance/social/shopping, where updates are necessary, and installed latest MacOS on separate drive/partition to synch with the iPhone. I had to ditch iWork apps as my primary office , because of using different versions across different devices, opening files work from old to new, but not the other way round. So i use a third party office application that saves docs in format to allow flexibility, and have to keep their formatting simple. The Mac obviously would be primary device to print-edit-neat things out, whereas the iPad used for note taking and typing the raw material. But if you rely on iWork stuff, you would have to update all devices if you update one device, i agree that is annoying if you have reasons.

They have this in the Mac OS document:

You can turn off automatic updates altogether at any time by changing the automatic updates settings found within System Preferences

Exactly as it should be on iOS; I wonder why iOS doesn't have such provisions.

Well, for some reason, the only way I have found NOT to get an automatic download is to actually download the Mac OS installer and leave it in the Applications folder without installing it (e.g. High Sierra); I do have automatic updates disabled. The app store background process scans your hard drive (and any attached external drive) in order to know what it should "offer" you.

Feedback for Apple goes here >>> http://apple.com/feedback

I'm not happy. Please respect me as a user.

You are not yelling at Apple in this community.

You forgot to mention that those updates patches security holes as well as bug fixes.

Philcavana wrote:

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Believe it or not, i have an Iphone 3g and 4 hanging in a drawer somewhere.

Never updated them,no Jailbreak and they are still as fast (almost) as day 1!

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Also you forgot to mention most app cannot run with new apps update.

BTW, have a read:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/review/ios-apps/ios-8-vs-ios-9-comparison-preview-proa ctive-notes-typefaces-maps-homekit-walle…

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/ios-8-vs-io s-9-1296149/2

There are more, just search the Internet.