Is there a WPS button on an iPhone

No, Apple as a policy avoids technologies that are security risks.

Sure, yet in 9 years of continuous development and 11 major versions of iOS (it was iPhone OS the first year), Apple has steadfastly not included WPS in iOS wifi connection settings or options. But your logical conclusion is that they just haven’t gotten to it yet? That’s supposedly more rational than concluding they deliberately exclude it, always have, and continue to do so with every single iOS update. 😕

OS X, btw, also does not support WPS.

Airport utility did support WPS (don’t know if it still does as the only airport I ever owned is the wifi+dialup modem gray space ship model, which I still have somewhere) for connecting peripherals to an airport base station. So the decisions to exclude it in iOS and OS X was and is clearly a deliberate design decision.

Really? WPS is very easily hacked. I can teach you to hack it in 5 minutes. So Apple is actually ahead of the rest of the industry in blocking this barn-door sized hole in Wi-Fi networking.

Anyone dropping support for WPS is not in the least behind in technology. They are merely current. It is idiotic to continue to support and perpetuate an inherently insecure “security” feature. WPS was a joke of a security option from its inception. It’s no better than locking up your house with strips of duct tape and claiming you’ve now secured the premises.

Apple has very deliberately and knowingly refused to support WPS just as they have not supported, or dropped support, for other security standards over the years that have been shown to be inherently insecure and flawed.

I would never knowingly pick any device for my own use that still uses or offers WPS - the presence of that very feature is compelling evidence of a company that really doesn’t care one wit about security at all.

So basically, if they don't offer a feature its because they simply can't offer it. They are incapable of offering it, rather than actually choosing not to based on facts that have already been given here?

The have made no progress because they choose not to include an old and superseded feature like WPS? How is to progress, when you need to go back to include an old feature you stopped including in favor of a more secure successor?

And no, I can critique Apple left and right for many things they have done. The lack of updates on the Mac Mini, the poor attention given to the Mac Pro, the price of the iPhone X, and its general feature set. There's a lot of stuff to not like from Apple, and that Apple gets wrong But to say they are incapable, because they have not done something that is at its core a security hazard like WPS, is just supremely silly.

What you mean to say, is Apple should include every feature under the sun, regardless of how insecure, ridiculous or pointless it may be simply to prove to you that they can actually include it.

You can offer feedback to Apple for any features you may want at Feedback - iPhone - Apple if you really want to. Apple is known to read all feedback, but may not respond directly.

Note that you may want to provide a good case for them to include something as insecure as WPS, and no just to prove that they can is not a good case.

Inherently in secure? Here is the problem with people who don't know the answer to the question. Wps requires you to push a physical button. It's active for 30-60 seconds. The problem is for apple products wanting to be proprietary and not work with a standard. It has not been an issue for apple users until the last five years. If the format standard does not generate revenue for apple it does not get attention. Apple product have had tons of advancements for the government and industries. Not for the consumer though. They have made changes to keep people in line and purchasing the proprietary manners for License for multimedia. That makes the money. Security is only a by product to keep you locked into their product and mentality. It people are lazy by nature and like you to think they know everything. Most of them haven't got the will to get out of their own way. There is the truth in the answer.

Yes WPS does have its flaws, but for a quick connection WPS is an excellent feature. I'm actually shocked IPhone 7 does not have this feature. I suppose if I was transfer to sensitive information I would be concerned about WPS,

but for a basic web connection it's a great feature.

The reason why Apple is behind and dropping back further on many features and standards, it seems to me as a technically competent observer from afar, is possibly that even though such a company has a leadership role and plenty of money, it seems it has too many things on its plate to finish it all without pushing away the plate. The problem isn’t anything to do with the WPS standard or any such thing. If you look at so many things Apple cannot yet accomplish: don’t excuse them due to ill conceived standards. The problem is Apple can’t get it done. It’s no longer fully responsive to its client base. Embarrassing Really. Inexcusable and embarrassing.

Perhaps Apple needs additional advisors from its client base. Beta iOS 11 nearly killed my phone! for example. Argh! :(

Oh, in addition to what I’ve already said as my opinion, I’m going to make a joke (not to be taken seriously)....

The other reasons include: Apple doesn’t have as effective a corporate espionage program as Samsung did!

lol

See? It’s just a joke. No harm intended to either Samsung or Apple by way of my mild jest. :)

Thank you Mr. Finch. I’m not going to get into a pishing contest with anyone here. I’ll strive to remain constructive, except for my initial sentiment about the state of that union.

Still, I will disclose that as formerly a Technical Development Prime of multi-million dollar projects, and having a twenty year career in that, and having personally implemented a great many Mission Critical Software Systems in the telecommunications industry requiring real-time processing and five-nines reliability, ... and I possessing knowledge of fault tolerance, systems redundancy. And having personally implemented the user interfaces of all of my systems that I’ve personally been either solely or a contributor designing implementing and testing, training , deploying into operations, and either/and specifying or implementing systems integration requirements and interfaces, and even developing components entirely from scratch for years wherever necessary yet the industry didn’t have component libraries available, and having performed all activities from attending pre-sales meetings as a subject matter expert, defining user requirements , design, detailed designs, and having eaten, breathing sleeping and speaking detailed APIs for years, and having been self-taught Apple ][ and ][+ hardware design as a very young teen; and going from there to university, initially specializing in hardware design, but the getting a mathematics and computing degree. ...

Oh and having intimate knowledge of firmware and real time design at the level of the machine, and programming from the hexadecimal system up to database schema normalization and design, and having written ORB/CORBA implementations using first principles, and programmed in many languages... phew.

I also know software implementations can overcome and protect against (safeguard) against insecure interface specifications by developing stateful session handling, catching violations, etc.

When I make a quip about something,

although I do it lightly, I know what kernel of truth it encompasses, and what is the way forward!

:)

There.

My bladder is half empty! LOL

I’ll be well behaved hence forth if I haven’t sounded entirely sunshine in this reply. I am subdshine. :)

Cheers.

I believe the point of the person who began the original discussion (it wasn’t me) wasn’t to have a discussion about its merits. Rather, I arrived here today for the same reasons/purposes as the first party:

Asking about whether an in-common-use and helpful-to-the-non-technical consumer feature is or isn’t available on a technically advanced iPhone so that as a guest in someone else’s household he/she can ask permission to press the “recycling icon” button so as obtain wifi access at someone else’s home, rather than prying into otherwise “private matters” of asking for a password.

This is the very reasons private / private key cryptology exists: so people don’t exchange primary passwords via clear text.

It was more of a “why can’t my TV do what every other TV today does?!”

Not an invitation to blame the specification.

If the next new thing is implemented into routers, Good.

Meanwhile, I’m inconvenienced as much as he/she, and all other non-Android users by having to take extra steps to connect.

And I shan’t digress any further. I’ll detach myself from this discussion.

I simply felt “offended” that the blame for lacking a convenience feature was deflected unto a specification instead of Apple saying Oops. And fessing up to “Sorry to all users for our inconveniencing you all.”

I’ve had to use many ill-fitted or incomplete specifications. I didn’t ever say. Sorry I can’t deliver due to a bad industry-wide specifications.

I would have been replaced by someone who could!

If the specification was approved, it has utility and merit. Who you gonna blame?!

Hey, blame me because I mentioned it. Not!

lol

Goodnight and goodbye.

dontbyte wrote:

Perhaps Apple needs additional advisors from its client base. Beta iOS 11 nearly killed my phone! for example. Argh! :(

I'm assuming this was your extra iPhone, right? As someone of your background would know better than to install beta software on a device they depended on for everyday use.

dontbyte wrote:

Perhaps Apple needs additional advisors from its client base. Beta iOS 11 nearly killed my phone! for example. Argh! :(

Beta software is not meant for the end user. It's a development phase software release. Its expected it will have issues, and you would be dumb to even consider installing it on a device you rely on on a daily basis.

Apple makes it abundantly clear, the Beta can and will have issues, and being in a test phase, its delivered as is and has no real support. If you fail to understand that, then that's on you. Apple cannot and will not babysit every user that decides they want a beta without understanding what it means.

Beta software is not a way to get iOS early. It's a way to test for bugs and issues on a wide enough pool. You are expected to have a certain level of computer knowledge to be messing around with Beta software. You being Reckless is not Apple's responsibility.

But I'm not sure what Beta has to to do with not providing WPS support at all?

Hello. :)

My circumstances weren’t any of the dumb or worst case scenarios you mention. Still, those are good to know. Thank you.

To response & answer your question about what any of that has to do with WPS: Initially, it didn’t.

But, when a forum member began basically saying the flawed nature of the WPS specification was the reason for not implementing it into the iPhone product, I spoke more generally that {a} that’s not a legitimate reason to obstruct the desires and expectations of a customer base (although I’m paraphrasing and not fully developing the more muted aspects of complex generally accepted product development decisions as they may occur) and {b} there is much objective evidence that Apple has “incomplete” &or “rudimentary” implementations of several features & feature components in its current production products — never mind Beta. Production iOS and iPhone hardware has deficits, where I’m defining deficits as “software components &or specific features are absent; incomplete ; or comparatively rudimentary.”

So, I rather attribute Apple having not implemented WPS [or other features I won’t cite right now] as a function of they having too much on their plate to fund or add into a production cycle (where I’m giving Apple that benefit if in doubt) instead of my incorrectly blurting out “Apple doesn’t have the capability to do it.” I know saying Apple can’t do it is plainly incorrectly. Apple has shown it’s a very technically excellent company and possesses many of the very brightest and most intelligent minds in the known universe!

So I’m not saying it can’t. That’s wrong and would be ignorant.

I was saying Apple has too much on its plate. Which I do believe is correct.

Whereas, suggesting Apple diaapponted customers and made connecting to a work more difficult (ie lacks WPS) because WPS ***** ... didn’t wash with me.

But, I was mixing topics.

I mentioned Beta iOS 11 because I specifically loaded iOS 11 on an iPhone in advance of its general release because I wanted to see whether the customization capcilty of the “Control Center” would be vastly improved over iOS 10 because the former wasn’t meeting my expectations (but does on Android). In Beta iOS 11 it didn’t either. To my disappointment. And didn’t in the production iOS 11 either.

At the time my primary phone was an Android, so no the iPhone running Beta iOS 11 wasn’t my primary phone. It was loaded for a sneak preview.

However, I want to restate (repeat) I LOVE APPLE COMPUTERS. and the company.

SPECIFICALLY, I chose a very joyous, happy, fulfilling, and at times arduous career in computing sciences, and other related scientific & technological pursuits BECAUSE I WAS IMPRINTED UPON APPLE, and learned fully why Apple products in 1980 and onward were indeed superior to whatever was available a that time. Apple was the greatest! :)

And, in the decades between then and today, Apple has repeatedly shone its greatness and lead the field and delivered superior products, and is deserving of many praises!

So, I’m not bashing Apple for the sake of disrespecting it.

Rather, I went to Android about three years ago because I couldn’t afford a new iPhone. And, I vowed my next phone would be a return to Apple and iOS , because I disliked Android for many technical and philosophical reasons that I won’t bore you with here. But, I began to like some aspects of it: especially many applications. But, my love is iOS and Apple. And I wanted to return to a product provided by a company I admire.

YET! When I did return to an iOS based phone after approx. three years, I’ve been deeply disappointed by the lack of progress iOS has made relative to Apple’s trajectory at the time I took a pause from using their products!

And, I’ve been deeply disappointed by the lack of iOS service capabilities provided to application developers in comparison to what Apple could have done (when I use my knowledge and my informed imagination ) relative to where I imagined Apple could have already been during the past three years.

I won’t detail it all. This isn’t intended to be a blog! LMAO.

So, I’ll say simply : I loaded iOS 11 Beta on an iPhone to personally assess the maturity level of several other aspects and feature capabilities (including Accessibility, and elsewhere) of the iPhone in areas (not only the Control Center) that I know technically Apple can implement particular features. (As I say I’m not getting into it all here).

Suffice it to say, Apple has several “rudimentary”, “incomplete” and/or “not fully realized” feature sets.

And that disappoints greatly.

And, that’s why the above and an iceberg of other analysis and evaluation I did of what Apple iOS offers now in comparison to what iOS offered three years ago didn’t live up to its full potential !

So, sure I didn’t expound upon any of the above when I yipped begrudgingly about iOS 11 Beta.

But, Nevertheless, what I see in iOS 11 Production and what I saw in iOS 11 Beta in comparison to the potential I saw when I last looked an iPhone three years ago Does Affirm My Assertion That Apple hasn’t lived up to its full potential in the between time.

And, instead of writing a book, I initially simply stated “Apple has too much on its plate.”

And, I didn’t support the positional statement that Apple doesn’t offer WPS because the public specification is insecure and “bad” because it seemed an attempt to deflect attention from and an examination of what Apple could have done these past three years.

And, of course no one wants to utter one syllable of objection , because otherwise someone is opposed to Apple. I know.

But, I’m not bashing Apple.

And I’m not being disparaging for the sake of trolling or for being pro Android. I’m not. I rather the whole world ran iOS.

I’M SIMPLY SAYING I KNOW BETTER THAN TO BUY INTO AN EXCUSE, whenever there is an actual reason.

I’ll say nothing more until 2018, and maybe not even in January! LMAO.

Merry Christmas, Everyone.

Peace Be With Each of You. Peace.

Darn! I guess my second guess was right after all. “ They can’t do it.” ;)

lol

And I love to laugh!, heartedly!

Ho Ho Ho. Merry Christmas.

I can’t be silent, yet counterpoint.

So, have your fill this month.

I’ll post my product ideas when I return in January.

Maybe you’ll be impressed or want to run with them? or not?! We’ll chat more after the new year.

Cheers

:)