macOS Sierra freeze on iMac late 2009 using Safari

Hey guys,


Since the installation of macOS Sierra on my iMac 27 inch late 2009, I'm experiencing freezes of the computer with the following symptoms:


- the freeze occurs when I scroll a webpage in Safari.

- The mouse cursor still moves but I can't click and manipulate the system ; the keyboard doesn't work, as well.

- A force reboot is mandatory to recover.

- I can establish a ssh connection from my MacBook to the iMac, suggesting that Darwin is still running well.

- The log indicates "userspace_watchdog_timeout.spin report for WindowServer version", suggesting that the problem is related to a crash of the WindowServer.


Somebody here with the same machine has the same problem?


Thanks!

VIN,iMac (27-inch Late 2009), macOS Sierra (10.12)

Posted on Sep 28, 2016 11:13 AM

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Nov 18, 2016 12:42 PM in response to riadfromhabsheim

Same problem here. My loyal Sierra iMac 2009 Core2Duo 3.06 (10,1) with the 256MB ATI 4670 card in.

WindowServer spins and only the mouse pointer moves until power management kicks in. Then is a black screen with no response to anything unless you hard power cycle.

The issue appears to be related to how hard the GPU is being worked and monitoring of the watchdog pats that the GPU returns. Safari aggravates the issue with it's GPU offloading but any app that keeps the ASIC busy is likely to cause the issue also.

I have heard of a solution that dates back to Snow Leopard 10.6.2 which has an ATI driver that omits this checking and therefore works continuously.

That driver is clearly very old but worth using until Apple fix this issue, if ever.

I do hold out hope because there are quite a few Mac platforms out there with ATI/AMD ASIC's in.

One thing clear to me since the dawn of chipset graphics is that I'm often clear of a problem in the cheaper Mac's that always rear their ugly head in more expensive ones.

I too was plagued with NV issues in 2007 and 2008 modes. Then again later in another platform. I have also hit issues with ATI chips. And in all that time, my GMA950, HD3000, HD4000 and Iris platforms have performed flawlessly.

Perhaps it's worth spending less on the entry Mac's then spec up their CPU, RAM and storage so you don't hit desecrate GPU problems that plague Apple.


Hope this helps,


TonyMac.

Nov 19, 2016 6:21 PM in response to riadfromhabsheim


FWIT, I had the exact same iMac; same problem particularly with Safari but occasionally with other apps like Mail, for a month after the Sierra upgrade. Searching support pages for more answers, I stumbled across a reference to Trusteer Rapport by IBM, a security feature promoted and recommended by various financial institutions.


I remembered installing it years ago. I has caused no conflicts (that I was aware of) through multiple OS upgrades.


It doesn’t appear as a Safari extension or plug-in. It doesn’t appear as a stand alone app like a anti-virus program. You access it at the bottom of the System Preferences window, as you would Flash Player. It updates itself automatically and I pretty much forgot about it.


I opened System Preferences, disabled the program, and both Mail and Safari worked correctly. I then uninstalled it completely, and (so far for a couple of days) Mail, Safari and everything else continues to work as they should. No freezes. The whole system seems noticeably more responsive.


The Trusteer Rapport website says it supports both the latest OSX and the latest version of Safari. Didn’t seem to be true for me, however, once I did the Sierra upgrade.

Nov 19, 2016 7:45 PM in response to Webhead1990

I agree but I don't think it's safari.


About a week ago my IT created a new user for me. The crashing slowed down but didn't stop. They re-seated my ram. No luck.


What they are saying is it's a kernel panic. Granted I am working the processor hard sometimes, but other times it's a click in a finder window with little open that does it. Something gets stuck sucking all the processor load.


We had this problem the first couple months of El Capitain too. Then an Apple update cured it, with no mention of the cause.

Nov 20, 2016 3:51 AM in response to riadfromhabsheim

Come-on Apple. This is totally unacceptable. Enough people have this problem for long enough. There is an issue with your drivers and the video cards in the older iMac. I've had this for years and each MacOS or OSX update I hope that this will be the one where you fix it. But no.


I will not be using Safari after this post. Firefox or Google Chrome - your nemesis have better software than you do in this regard.


It's not difficult to reproduce and it must be easily fixable.


I'm not going to buy a new iMac when my 2009 works just fine. And when the day comes to get that next bright and shiny computer - whether or not it is an iMac will depend on how you respond to this issue. The planned obsolesce may be your own.


I am very angry!!!!!!!

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