iOS 10.1 Battery drain

Over 100 pages of comments from people that all have the same problem, yet here we are, reduced to bickering amongst ourselves about the cause or source of the problem. I personally find it counterproductive.

So I will simply report that my second day (yesterday) with the newly installed 6+ battery had me at 52% after fifteen hours of normal usage.

Today, after nine hours my battery shows that I still have 82% remaining.

I'll keep posting if anyone is interested in how phones with replaced/fresh batteries behave with iOS v10.2 (14C92) over time. If not, and the attacks and slights continue, then this thread has really jumped the shark.

Peace

As noted in one of my first comments on this thread, way... way.. way back, there are some app still doing things that they have been elected that they shouldn't be doing. Example would be that Background App Refresh for the Wattpad and Wellsfargo apps. One guy responded by including that it was interesting that despite selecting the GPS off on his phone, he also noticed that in the settings it was still running. I even had a weird maps incident similar in that regards.

All I'm saying is some of these apps can't necessarily be excluded from playing a roll with this problem. They maybe just amplifying what's already there. But, I won't rule out any invisible coding. Mainly because the suspicious nature in me thinks they are always watching and recording data on us... All the time... Buwhahahahah...

P.s. Love the screen name.

Agree. For us who are experiencing this is very frustrating indeed with no real solution in sight.

The problem is your approach and faulty approach, poor methodology and reality perception. Do you reac the same to a tire flat, or poor car battery? Many users have already have thei fixed- and other forums mention that.

It's a known fault. See http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-ios-10-battery-shut-down-bug-2016-11

"Faulty analogy, your example reveals nothing."

I'm not entirely sure what your point is here or to what analogy you are referring. I simply referenced an article which seems to me a well researched balanced piece highlighting known issues with battery on iOS 10. Some of which can be attributed to a manufacturing fault on iPhone 6s as admitted by Apple and being repaired by them FOC. I would be surprised if this is the only model affected. Does iOS 10 cause or exacerbate the problem? Who knows!

"Each phone, OS version and maker experiences a few pages of users posting issues."

True but anecdotally it seems to me that Apple and iOS 10 seems higher than most to me. Obviously if they sell more units than other manufacturers they are likely to have more complaints too.

"When it comes to Apple's 400 million devices, please google iOS 6, 7, 8 and 9 Battery drain, and please return explain how come there were threads on those topics as well."

So your argument is that there can't be a problem with battery drain in iOS 10 because there are reported problems in earlier versions of iOS?

Yes keep posting.

I have posted 4 updates to my experience with a 5.

I really hope you're getting paid a lot for defending Apple, because your effort is remarkable.
Anyway, I don't think that judging this way how people is dealing with the problem their iphone are experiencing, will solve anything.
Some users have tried to solve this problem with no success (going to genius bar, changing battery, resetting the phone etc etc) so a little bit of frustration is understandable, especially when there's no official comunication from Apple about it .. and yes, I get the reason of this silence but people are dealing with the same problem and there's no clear solution that for sure can work for everybody.
So no need to be rude if someone comes here to complain hoping to get some help.

The posters on this thread are all seeking answers and looking for solutions. Some of us are all working to some sort of solution. Some are waiting appropriately for some sort of fix which may or may not be forthcoming from Apple. Personally I think they are always working on fixing things and perhaps they are for this as well, but such things do take time.

However, it seems that there is only one answer for ~Belisarius.

The Battery is the entire issue.

The only solution is that the Batteries must be replaced.

There is simply no other possible answer and therefore everything else is mere flailing around by a bunch of nincompoops and ignoramus' who won't believe him or take his advice to spend money on a "Apple" only battery replacement.

It seems of late that for every person posting ~Belisarius has some sort of response.

I am not certain why so many hours have been spent by this user posting page after page of replies to most everyone who comes here to trying to share their experience and hopes for a solution.

Perhaps ~Belisarius is trying to save us from ourselves.

I for one have been posting my experiences in real time. I have had a degree of success fixing my daughters phone so far.

Others have tried replacing the Battery and yet they still have the rapid drain and shutdown issue.

Apparently the Battery replacement seems to not fix things for everyone.

Soon I will post another update about my daughters phones current status.

So far things look promising.

I will continue to post as this site is busy with responses to the issue and I may have lucked on a solution for a small number of people who are experiencing the issue.

"rue but anecdotally it seems to me that Apple and iOS 10 seems higher than most to me" you wrote it, dear Caltor, anecdotally. There were hundreds of forum pages, here, on iOS 7, 8 and 9, and, smilarly, MacOS 10.6 to 10.11.8, each iteration. Therefore your conclusion that iOS 10 seems higher simply tells me that, likely, you did not follow these technical issues-and that this is new to you. I follow international relation, science and technology. Can absorb hundreds of pages a week in a very short time. Plus grad studies. Am like that. But show me house deco and I can't get it.

So your argument is that there can't be a problem with battery drain in iOS 10 because there are reported problems in earlier versions of iOS? Quite the contrary- the point being that battery drain are a recurring issue with EACH iteration, iOS or MAC OS or Windows Surface Nokia Blackberry and so on. recently had a brand new BB replaced due to shorting problems.. In fact, they are so recurring that, logically, mathematically, it means that the only common denominator is not the Toshiba Samsung NAND, or Gorilla screens to our devices, but Li Ion technology. Since the OSs vary for all these manufacturerd, what is the only thing in common to all of them? Battery technology. The same was Cadmium batteries are common to all cars excpe the new Tesla types. Speaking of iOSes, 10 e-6 or 0.004% or less iPhone users experience some issue that does come to light following a stressful experience, ie new firmware, ie iOS install.

The Battery is the entire issue.

The only solution is that the Batteries must be replaced. There is simply no other possible answer and therefore everything else is mere flailing around by a bunch of nincompoops and ignoramus' who won't believe him or take his advice to spend money on a "Apple" only battery replacement.

Thank you for this splendid example of poor critical thinking. First, you build strawman arguments- words myself or no one else said, then you take them apart. It is highly indicative of very poor deductive logic. NOWHERE HERE ONE HAS ADVISED TO SPEND MONEY as a solution- in fact, most iPhone 6s owners are covered by warranty still; nor has anyone called the audience names as you just did.

Also, no one has argued that the battery alone is at fault. But that, once all initial steps concluded, i.e. Apple Call, Hard factory reset, etc, the battery is the only next logical step, and most likely to solve the issue. It already has for countless of forum posters since the launch of the initial iPhone. Yes, for 9 years some peple have battery issues and had them resolved. And each forum level, each year, someone thretened and blamed Apple. We all laughed..

Another lapse in judgment: your not realizing that SPENDING MONEY ON THE BATTERY IS 100% RISK FREE. Since Apple guarantees it working or full refund. 100$. Vs 1100$ for a new working phone. What do you have to say to that? Because no one will fix for free those 10x e-6 defective units out there or 40 000 or so units a year. If you have Apple Care, sure. If not, Apple employees are fairly generous at buying back your partially working phone and discounting a new phone.

So yes, with academics and reading, and learning, it takes seconds to return to this page and call out anger mongering, negativity, blame finger pointing and no constructive solution option. Since you blame Apple in your entries, yes, your solution can de dissected as nagging finger pointing.

As for commenting on Apple batteries, this is a serious mistep on your behalf. Anyone putting non-Apple batteries in their phones not only are unlikely to get them to work, but are nulifying any warranty and more likely to fry their entire phone.

The advie offered, and my Christmas time generosity gift for you, is to save people's time. The sequence is as fol:

- Factory reset, with or without Apple Sr support

- Risk free battery replacement and trial, paid or under Apple Care (no cost)

If these fail, guess what? The phone maybe the issue- for whatever reason. 40 000 a year/240 million, you drew the lotto..

Any comments? What is your advice? Besides whinning, blaming Apple or accusing forum members for defending Apple with neutral facts?

Over 100 pages of comments from people that all have the same problem, yet here we are, reduced to bickering amongst ourselves about the cause or source of the problem. I personally find it counterproductive.

So I will simply report that my second day (yesterday) with the newly installed 6+ battery had me at 52% after fifteen hours of normal usage.

Today, after nine hours my battery shows that I still have 82% remaining.

Thank you Merovingian for proving that logical steps do work, as did the battery replacement. Some are advocating that this fails. You are the Nth postee here that responda that it actually resolved the issue, that is great!

Paikinho…. wrote:

How so?

How exactly is replacing old code on a device stressing it out?

~Belisarius~

"ONE WORD: FIRMWARE. If you have not worked with it to see how it bricks electronics, I recommend you have a quick 101 read. or at least links below. It is the most dreaded upgrade for any IT specialist. It is only done if a must - Apple with OS rollouts, or special requirements."

I was unaware that you were talking about stressing out IT guys when you said that updates were stressing things and revealing hardware problems. That seems to be the gist of what your words now indicate is not some sort of hardware stress as you seemed to indicate before.

Indeed I have worked with firmware throughout the last 30 years of my life. And yes I have performed many dozens of firmware updates in my time. They are not really needed much outside of the manufactures sphere and an infrequent necessity for various devices or computers once devices are in the wild for for the most part. Firmware updates are definitely a couple of orders-of-magnetude less required than the constant updating needed by the OS to fix various dynamic bugs in this multivariate iPhone ecosystem.

Personally, I have never really had a problem with any firmware updates, so the dread with which you wish to elevate the importance of firmware is somehow lost on me. I have managed to dodge a couple of rushed out Firmware updates which would have messed up my machines but have not had any Firmware mess up my systems to where they weren't retrievable. To me Firmware is not really that scary any more than ripping apart machines and devices to fix them is. There are risks, but with care an diligence things almost always are fine.

Just 3 days ago I performed a firmware update on a device, but I don't recall it being very stressful. Maybe it is just me.

First you talked about how the "iOS 10.1 Battery drain"... the subject of this thread is a pretty much a battery issue, now you are bringing up Firmware updates. Why?

Was the 10.1.1 update an iPhone Firmware update? I thought is was simply an OS update. You said updates are stressful, but tie that to Firmware. Are Apple iPhone updates firmware updates as well as OS updates?

Neither in my view stresses hardware in the sense of breaking the physical function of it. Poor programming could make it a brick, but we are not talking bricks in this thread. We are talking about diminished function after and iOS update. And at least for me it seems I may have come upon a solution which would negate your assertion that this is merely a battery issue. If my battery where shot by the upgrade then it wouldn't be lasting a day and 1/2 after I factory reset things.

Once more I struggle to discern what your point really is. I struggle to understand your motivation in this matter entirely.

Having performed hundreds of upgrades, fresh installs, re-installs on many hundreds of devices I am not very certain that doing so results in any more stress than just using the system.

Have you any literature which sheds light on your assertion that an update stresses a phone in this case more than say running it day to day or running an intensive game?

I guess I don't yet buy into what you are say

Each time it is done, IT techs anticipate a certain failure rate.

Yes and the failure rate can vary a lot.

IT directors and teams who roll this stuff out have to worry about a lot... test, re-test and document everything. Once they are certain they have flawless FIRMWARE they roll it out.

Still there could be some glitches in the real world as some things are not apparent. What does this have to do with whether the iPhone is or isn’t stressed by a firmware update?

And are the iOS updates all firmware updates?

PC vendors generally avoid OTA firmware updates altogether- although modern BIOSs on expensive MOBOS are so advanced that copanies such as Dell roll it out quite comfortably.

Wait a minute. You just got done telling me that Firmware updates are scary. Now you are saying no big deal?

And your arguments for replacing the battery are that the Update revealed a flaw in the controller. Or is it a flaw in the programming that could brick the controller? But if the controller were bricked then wouldn't the battery fail entirely perhaps. Or if the controller were flawed, how then would someone be able to get their phone back and going from being bricked and achieve the battery performance and function they had before?

Car manufacturers avoid letting dealerships do ECU flashes- any sports car living and breathing by it- as once done, the likelyhood of the hardware failing the event is too much of a risk.

Why would dealerships ever do ECU flashes?

If someone wants to change the engine control unit to get their care to run hotter for more horsepower or other performance changes, why on earth would a dealership do that? The Engine Control unit is set the way the manufacturer wants it. Why would dealerships willy nilly mess with that. Liability for cooking an engine, I would think would play a bigger role in the thinking of any business. Risk and being on the hook for doing adjustments to the performance of a car requires greater expertise and insight than a typical dealership would have on staff.

So batteries have controllers and a buch of programming, and any new iOS releases software and FIRMWARE on top of the key hardware. Software controlls your OS functionality, firmware, physical hardware.

Of course since not all hardware works perfectly- anyone here believing the contrary should really get a reality check- it also fails.

I think everyone here... and indeed for the most part, on the planet is well aware that not all hardware works perfectly. Neither does all software. I don’t think there are many people who would make a statement of believing in perfect software and hardware. Our lives as humans are replete with examples of such failures and I think that nobody needs a reality check.

No company in the world makes 100% perfectly working hardware, it does not exist in the engineering world. All these are facts.

It seems you are making a statement that everyone agrees with so again I fail to understand how this furthers your argument that everyone just needs to buckle down and buy a new battery and the issue will be fixed.

This issue is certainly complicated, it could be software or hardware related. iPhones are complicated devices which is why there is a continual stream of new code to fix or bypass issues that arise.

Anyhow, although it is an option to replace the battery... that is merely one choice and not a fix all for everyone. I think everyone is already aware that replacing the battery is an option since that is generally the first thing Apple people suggest. If others wish to try to find other solutions and post their experiences here, they should be able to do so without being met with so many and frequent suggestions by one person that the battery needs to be replaced. They should not be met with comments which seem to diminish their experiences either.

As to FIRMWARE being the culprit in some way... perhaps, but one would have to know if iOS 10.1.1 altered the firmware first. Do you have insight into the firmware being altered by this OS update?

ECU- not to make this a car post, unless you drive a standard Japanese or standard Big 3, anything else, German or Japanese Sports (Nissan Gt), Muscle car (e.g. Shelby Corvette), ECUs get flashed regularly (my last flash being done yesterday) as performance car gain from such remapping. Also part of certain checks, you work on one piece, may have to reflash as consequence. And when I mean regularly, not a single Muscle Car e.g. goes through life without multiple ECU flashes. Point being, by default manufacturers do not do it for standard cars- too risky. Even at BMW, dealerships need Munich permission to roll updates, as if they do it on their own and the ECU freezes, it is a costly repair/replacement.

Ok so if replacing the battery works for some, but not others, the phone may be the culprit. I know iPhone users with poor battery life since moving to iOS 8- but maneagable. I also know of iPhone 5 users that replaced their battery and issue was gone (myself) - under Apple Care. The point is, nothing that you say can change the facts nor the troubleshooting sequence.

If battery repair fails, you get your money back. Or a discounted new Apple iPhone or same gen.

Also, not that all older iPhones, 1yr plus, in technical books, the batteries could very well be done. At 600 cycles, they have served admirably. Evry year, the percentile of reliability decreases dramatically.

I would like to defer you to the past 9 years worth of iOS battery drain (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) and as well other OS by other manufacturers. Only then you might realize that there is nothing special nor unique about this occurence to you and the very unlucky tiny minority experiencing it.

Yes, once a new iOS gets installed, a bunch of firmware is also installed. It in the rel notes! Most people do not read them anyway. The device goes through a complete, often irreversible programming and tests. And more checks as this unfolds. A tiny minority of devices fail this.

However, I would like ot point out, should you check previous forums, it also happpends randomly resetting a current OS. e.g. 9. It is the forums.

So who cares if the iOS is the culprit when the battery ends up failing? It does not matter, nor will there be a fix. Since it works for 400+ million iPhones 6 and 6S owners, plus another couple of hundred million iPhone 5, what do you have to say.. why would Apple change their settings for the tens of thousands or so that do not pass? Makes no sense.

Ok, so for all those iPhone 5 / 5S. Unfortunately, as with every single iOS release, as they progress in age, battery drain increases. It is a relantionship beteen # cycles, battery fatigue and iOS install effect. The older the phone, the less likely it will fare well major upgrades and the Apps reinstall, indexing which heats up the phone (grab it and you can tell).

Got my iPhone 6s back from repair today. Battery was replaced under free replacement programme. They also upgraded it from iOS 10.1 to 10.2. It arrived with about 60% charge. I charged it to 100% and it started to drain much quicker than before. This might be because it started restoring from iCloud and/or because I've been using it a lot today. In any case it is now down to about 21% and would normally have shut itself off by now. I will let it drain down until it shuts down and do a full recharge to see how it goes from there. I have been told a full charge and discharge isn't needed these days but I always feel it helps. Just hoping I haven't swapped an unexpected shutdown problem for a higher drain issue.

Forbes is reporting an issue with iPhones. It is in an article about the new Google Pix and how they are having a similar issue as Apple with their batteries.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2016/12/28/google-pixel-xl-thirty-percent -battery-bug/#7f9817ff5594

Tested and verified many many times. Phone shuts off at 20-30% for iOS 10.1.1 and 40-50% for iOS 10.2.