iOS 10.1 Battery drain

The user above, and maybe two others, reported that when they went at the Genius Bar, with a shutting unusable phones, they were told that if the diagnostic test read Fine (so above 80% health)? They could not pay to replace the defective battery. This contrasts significantly with some US (e.g. Lower Manhattan) or UK users whom went at their Genius Bar, and had stellar service. This included being told by the staff that they knew the battery to be the issue, and replaced the battery or the iPhone. Issue gone.

When someone is unable to replace the battery at an Apple store, and there is no other nearby, it creates issues. If they go the non-OEM route, they place their phone or more at risk if the replacement is a cheap fake. Also, if there was a replacement extension, they nullified any coverage or recourse as they went non-OEM. What I would do is, if a store refuses me in a few months, and my phone shuts down, I would escalate the highest Tier Apple Support (above Sr level) and they can instruct a store what to do. There is one store I avoid where resolution appears to be the manager's mood, and he limits his staff from resolving problems. Then you get Manhattan and several others I have seen in the world, where a technician sees the problem and can do common sense repairs.

So much speculation. And that's quite a design feature. One that wasn't in any of the upgrade notes. You would think such a feature would be mentioned. You know a feature written to "protect" our phones. Haha! This is getting great!

Thanks for the lesson in shutdown features. Amazing! I had no idea they existed. You have now totally contradicted yourself. Are you now saying that these features didn't exist prior to the 10.0 update? This is hilarious! You are the one making "speculation snowballs" whatever that means. Never heard that term before. Speculating that this was all done to "help us". 1 I didn't need any help. My phone was working perfectly before the update. And 2 this update seems to have a mind of its own and shuts down. Phones at random. Your whole theory makes zero sense.

Homework: Glance at https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-current-resistance-and-ohms-law and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_laws_named_after_people. Then read on electrical patent submission, and Department of Energy rules https://energy.gov/eere/buildings/regulatory-processes. You will find out that there is a class category and set of rules that defines every device entering the market. Then you get Samsung, admitting to dropping steps, rest is history. You already know that, so let's drop the debate about how or whether or not smartphones shutdowns safeties are theory or just real world engineering. The more real issue is how to avoid the nuisance of having to carry a charger just to boost back to life a shutting down device.

~Belisarius~ you are not being helpful anymore. You claim not to work for Apple, however you are continually making it very difficult for the rest of us who actually had a problem to begin with to see possible solutions and have a fruitful conversation amongst us. Your abundance of free time does not entitle you to clatter up this forum with your opinions, speculations, wise remarks, links to whatever you can find online and stories about your girlfriend's phones. Yes, we read all that, duly noted, thank you for contributing, now please move on. If you don't have an issue yourself or have any suggestions other than "change your battery", I beg of you to go find another forum to pester. By antagonizing others and counting the number of people who have replaced their battery is not a great indicator of success either on your behalf or of Apple's for that matter.

Sorry, I do not do speculation. I did voice some product improvements. If by 'fruitful' conversation you mean speculations on iOS 10 code, Apple programming, threats or accusations vs Apple or forum members, deleted by the moderators, no, the forum was not created for that. Have you read the guidelines... Whatever the forum did, cutting through misconception, misinformation or speculation, two dozen users resolved their issue. Hence why so few returns. Quite a few as a direct-result of this forum, with cues on how to navigate Apple Sr Support. A few returned to credit me by name. In turn I credit 2012 Forum members (iphone 5), and school. Also helped one person in real life. How may have you assisted, successfully, here or around you, and how..Please bring that here.

You mean other users are welcome to discuss family phones, but using my 6S or Gfs phone is problematic? you are welcome to take censorship elsewhere. Will not indulge further your alternate facts - other than by sending you an educative link. Pride of US engineering. http://m.electronicdesign.com/power-sources/protecting-your-lithium-ion-batterie s-isn-t-so-hard. If you understand the content, and its attachments, only then let's debate on equal terms.

The difference between arrogance and confidence is knowledge. Inspiring confidence and getting people to resolve the issue is true leadership. Better than getting people confused with some programming conspiracy, myths and bogus accusations against Apple, and their waiting out for months. Solutions and results.

You could easily suggest battery replacement as a solution to people that come here for help, without the endless chatter and narcissistic drivel you seem determined to subject us to.

Frankly your comments make subscribing to this discussion quite unbearable, and the spam you generate could easily drive away people that were waiting to hear something other than 'it's a natural occurrence due to the imperfections of battery technology'.

Perhaps you are completely correct with your assumptions. They are perfectly feasible. But I would also suppose that a number of people aren't satisfied with the cause and solutions you have presented, and they have every right to have their inboxes uncluttered by your unending commentary.

So out of respect for those that are receiving every update on this thread as an email, couldo you please stop treating it as your personal soap box?

Thank you

Have no beef with you. Do not do assumptions, not anymore after the two dozen resolves. Once I did a lengthy detour in abnormal personalities studies, for work, no flip mechanism here. Some of my replies were defensive due to very misplaced accusations of working for Apple to mislead people. In some US states, that is libel. Questionable statements, such as issue only happening with 10, Pixel is better (!!) or everyone affected since iOS 10, it takes more to sanitize. As for whatever else you want to hear, the issue is forum monitoring and post deletion. My hands are tied, like Adrian's. For external theories, your best bet is please read the news and between my lines.

I’ve saved days, weeks by reading a few Beilsarius posts. I skipped long Support calls, one genius bar meeting replaced my 14 months old (620 cycles) shorting iPhone 6S battery. It solved it, while travelling. Yes, short like we all know. But he resolved for me, didn’t have to, but helped me and others. What have you done for us…Your remarks are off, I know people, he does not come here to insult, like some did, crudely, on him or Apple. It’s not rocket science, its electrical. If you have an old batterie, more than a year or 500 cylces it’s getting there. No need to insult him for repeating what turned out each time as the cause.

Thank you for rebuking nonesense my friend, each time you do. 🙂 Don't get discouraged by poor remarks. If I came here to read a thousand posts on the iOS 10 being the universal issue, I might have fallen in the ignorance speculation trap and I'd never have resolved it in one day.

No worries. I tried to defend arguments with science and education links, so they can see it as real, not made up as accused. Ironically, much of it mentioned by Apple executives in Live events when they introduce new products- screen fusion, logicboard, batteries so on. Sometimes people only hear what they want to hear and misdirect anger, forgetting that none of us caused the issue. glad i was of any help. In a few years these topics will be gone, upcoming technology will make them obsolete. Read on Li Ion breakthrough, metallic molecules, 20 min charge?

I did read, I have been reading google news on batteries lately. But it doesn't matter, realizing this is a confused industry. Your idea for Apple to make its own Apple Battery with Tesla is brilliant, I never thought it a trilion $ market.. Samsung just announced 140 million for a new Korean battery factory with better QC control, and new technology. As an American, I am in favour of a US based production.

Samsung and Huawei also announced battery factories. I remember a 9 year old documentary with Samsung R&D Exec bragging how they reversed engineered the iPhone in 6 months, copying it. That was before the lawsuits silenced them. This is why I think it important for Apple to learn the lessons from these issues, and take the lead. With 237 billion cash reserves they can give us a mega factory with 9000 workers, by 2024 low-cost batteries with a 7-30 day charge, 30 min charging, and car batteries with 1000+ miles range. An incredible window of opportunity,more so as tesla has patents but no more money, whereas Apple has money but does not make its in-house power.

I read that Apple is going to be opening their own Battery division.

This would really make sense in light of the issues batteries seem to be contributing to problems with mobile devices.

Batteries seem to be a bit of a weak variable in otherwise fairly solid manufacturing.

Solving this would help whomever produce products with an edge over competitors.

Greeting Paikinator, agreed. Blessya and family. The Battery Division news go back years, appear small scale acquisition for what people thought then. IMO they should go 2 Bn $ mega factory and buy amazing patents out there. One billion Apple devices out there, more on the way. Millions of cars begging for well engineered reliable batteries, costing <5000$ and < 500 lbs. Once you have the technology you lease it everywhere. The new Black Gold.