iOS 10.1 Battery drain

These are questions I would expect Apple to answer.

Their silence is rude and shows a complete lack of respect for the many loyal customers on this thread.

One of the reasons I jumped ship from Android was because I was experiencing battery drain from all sorts of apps.

I believed the Apple vetting process for apps was more meticulous, including battery drain, than the Play store.

Looks like I was wrong.

Since my issues with IOS 10 I have paid for and installed a battery wear indicator and stat app.

After a week it is showing me 1% wear level so the math would indicate that my new battery will last much less than 2 years.

It would have been great to have had a like for like on a 6s on IOS 9 to compare and put it beyond doubt.

I will feedback over the next few months how the wear progresses.

Adrian.

Update 8:

Well I charged and left the iPhone 5 in standby.

I checked the Battery Meter status every few hours and the battery drain seemed smooth.

The phone Drained from 100% down to 26% over 26 hours which is normal for this old phone with an old battery.

I plugged it in at this point taking into account Belisarius' information on trying to not let the phone discharge below 30%.

Next I will fully get the phone active on my account and see how it performs in the real world with some regular use.

Happy New Year Paikinator, to your and all your family members.

"As can be seen from numerous postings, the iOS 10.1.1 upgrade seemed to initiate glitchy behavior that lead to poor readings by the battery meter. The readings were off, perhaps not reading the battery correctly at all." We both agree on the sequence, although perhaps not the causality. My argument is that old or tired or near-death batteries fail the iOS 10 upgrade, or the MC can no longer provide steady info during the reset processes imposed by the new install. Best analogy, have you ever troubleshot a glitchy SDD/HDD that still seems to run, but doing a new install after the reformat it no longer works? Culprit could be one stuck sector. It also takes a single erratic part of the battery cell to throw it off. Once the battery electronics report an error, by default, Apple devices log and keep the "Fail" ping. On macs, once the Service Battery sign appears, it will reappear and become permanent quite rapidly.

As your iPhone 5 batteries are old, it means nothing in their behavior will surprise you. Unlike the 6/6S/7, many new power hungry apps are not available on iPhone 5. Personally, if there was an opt out option, I would keep a 4 5 or 5S at the last working iOS level. Because of iOS 10 ergonomics, which I dislike, I reversed to 9 and been refusing 10 since. The GF updated her iPhone 5 just before the final rollback date; could not reverse to 9. After a week of poor battery life with 10 (although no sudden power-offs), she took my advice and Facebook; is back to better daily charge than she last had with iOS 9.

If you do go back to own profile/image, do not be surprised if it returns to weird behavior. Apps place a higher load on the battery, and its behavior could be different than your controlled environment test and -1%/hr.

Factory Reset usually cleans up glitchy legacy issues, including lag, app freeze and so on. Some people do not know how to do one- including the girl- the entire life of the phone.

Hi Belisarius, always good to have open dialogue, I just wish Apple would open up and talk!

🙂

I am pretty sure we all agree and understand that a battery is a consumable and will fail depending on how it is used, I have no problem with that.

My problem is that all these issues happened instantly after IOS 10 and not just to me as can be seen on this thread.

I installed the Battery wear app in desperation after my phone started shutting down on the old battery.

I have had awful experiences with these types of apps on Android when I was trying to identify battery drain on my: HTC/Galaxy S/SII/Note 4.

I gave up on the Note 4 and went to the iPhone 6s and all through IOS 9 I was so pleased with my decision.

This battery app I am using seems pretty decent, but I am not trying to gain 100% accurate metrics, just roughly see what state my battery is in and how fast it is degrading

My old battery was less than a year old when it started failing, it got replaced under the "Lucky Lotto" scheme (as I call it) whereby my 6s was entitled to a free replacement as the serial number fell in the lucky range.

The phone was not wiped and I have noticed no shutdowns, so in my case the faulty battery was causing the shutdowns.

So by that logic, the others on this thread who are having the shutdown issue should have a new battery fitted.

Apple should pay for this as I honestly believe IOS 10 has cycled these batteries over their usable limit.

My battery drain still persists, it is not as great as on the failed battery, but it is still there.

So, we shall have to wait and see how long this new battery lasts.

If indeed it is 2 years (or thereabouts) with me just having hatched a few of these new baby Pokemon that Niantic have just released, I will be delighted.

If it is less than a year, then I will not be delighted, simple.

I have a horrible feeling Christmas will help Apple in it's damage limitation act as a lot of people, who assumed their batteries or phones were too old and past it, will have asked Santa for new ones.

So I guess we will never know how many batteries IOS 10 has ruined.

As mentioned in a previous post many pages ago, Apple, instead of living up to it's "Break away from Big Brother Microsoft" advert all those years ago has turned into the very thing it was asking it's potential audience to avoid.

How ironic.

Adrian.

So, let's sum up. iOS10 creates a problem for many of us, we create a thread here hoping for a solution, Apple completely ignores the hundreds and hundreds of us, then apparently gets tired of bad publicity and hires someone to join this thread ( ~Belisarius~ ) to simply argue anything said, turning this thread into a useless exchange and thus drive people away.

Really Apple? Wow. I am utterly disgusted.

I sent a one-line message on here a few days ago reminding contributors of the well-known principle that fedding the trolls isn't advisable. That's all I said, wholly unspecifically, and I didn't refer to anyone or anything in particular, neither by name nor otherwise. The message was of course deleted by the censors (as no doubt this one will be) under the pretext of lack of civility. But at least it will have reached those who subscribe to the topic by email - those messages make it to all subscribers before the censors do their work! Please, keep to the topic and don't feed the trolls.

Yeah... I think that there are auto filters that delete messages with certain words. Using the t-word might be something that gets a post deleted just as any swear words would.

It wouldn't matter the actual content.

I think you used the t-word again so this post I am replying to may be recycled as well.

Hi Evagorasc, Belisarius is right in his main argument: Batteries are consumables and degrade according to the way they are used.

However, he only focuses on that, he has obviously not felt the realisation of having upgraded to IOS 10 and his battery suddenly drains and goes bang.

Like we have, to us it is obvious, IOS 9 = fine, IOS 10 = dead.

The proof is that in an unheard of turn of events, Apple released in depth battery diagnostic tools in 10.2.

You just do not do that if there is not an issue with the IOS or the battery, even a fool can see this.

So, our case is proved, IOS 10 has affected batteries in an adverse way.

Whether Apple admit to anything is another matter.

The floodgates may well open and yes, you will get the freeloaders with their 4 year old well-used and knackered iPhone 5's asking for them to be replaced.

However, you will also get the honest owner, who looks after their phone, charges it properly and then suddenly after September 2016 it is rendered unusable.

I do not know how Apple would manage that if it came to it.

But what is completely inexcusable is Apple's lack of comment.

On this alone I am considering going Nokia (after all these years) if it turns out a good smartphone later in 2017.

[Edit: I think one of the reasons why less people are posting here is that, as I mentioned previously, Santa has brought them a new phone. If Apple issued new IOS releases in January it may well have been a different story.]

Adrian.

"So, let's sum up. iOS10 creates a problem for many of us, we create a thread here hoping for a solution, Apple completely ignores the hundreds and hundreds of us, then apparently gets tired of bad publicity and hires someone to join this thread ( ~Belisarius~ ) to simply argue anything said, turning this thread into a useless exchange and thus drive people away.

Really Apple? Wow. I am utterly disgusted."

Fortunately, I am only here to save you from yourself, and to lift up your spirits pointing out that you were not let down by a company's policy, but by technology. In parallel, have contributed to the MBP short battery fiasco (submitted feedback to Gizmodo, whose staff gets invited at Apple events. Does not get more critical than Alex Crantz slamming Apple for DOA MBPs. Of course everything you wrote is pure unfounded speculation, which essentially rules out your not having used any deductive, scientific or not, method of analysis. Or no methodology for that matter. You focused on an individual, and not the science or arguments. Quite a few people did as recommended and had their phones working in time for NYT Square NYE 4k filming. Where were you and your iPhone at? Blaming Apple? How did that go for you?

If you find the exchange useless, then I must bow for you as you master everything- the science, the corporate approaches, troubleshooting, getting a new iPhone like Mjolcresure. this forum is for those not thinking it pointless, and coming out with a new AHA! And is also not for master conspiracy theorists, faked moon landings and Aliens taking over Hollywood... With your powers, you should already have figured out what went wrong and offered a clear working hypothesis, leading to some clear thesis and course of action.

Had once an Iphone 5 battery go bad after accidentally turning the flashlight on a few times- 30 min later I fel tthe heat in the pocket. A second one was revealed faulty with iOS 7 update. I never regarded the iOS as culprit- even if it stressed the battery and exposed the MC fault.

how about those tens of thousand of Nissan Leaf owners, 30,000$, second year dropping to 75% charge? If not for lemon Laws in the US, Nissan would have gotten away with it. The point is, the best protest you can make - and I will join- is against the widespread use of poor reliability tech, namely single-cell, smartphone grade Li-Ion batteries...

Tokyo Ferret, cold shut down is cleary explained at Battery University. But any Canadian going skiing or snow-mobiling sub 10F to -20F, knows to keep the phone against the chest or it will brick 20 min outside. have seen 5-10F (-5 C) iPhones (forgotten in car) just drain in 5 seconds when touching the home button and shutdown. Li-Ion batteries do not work in the cold, the chemical reaction stops..

Glad your situation has improved.

Fortunately, I am only here to save you from yourself, and to lift up your spirits pointing out that you were not let down by a company's policy, but by technology.

The synospsis that begins with the sentence above is the very type of comment which alienates people and makes it impossible to lift anyones spirits.

Perhaps you are unaware of how what you type about peoples motives, inferiority, flawed intellects and such distracts from anything valuable you would say. I would put out there that that such commentary is even a put off for those others who you wish to impart your information to. Many if not most will simply click past real information because they don't want to waste time reading people arguing or attacking one another.... they are here simply to find pertinent info.

Not chaff and personal filler.... not a food fight.

Rather than informing the discussion or elevating it, words about other peoples intellects and motives tends to turn people away thus defeating the points you would wish to make in providing pertinent information.

Not trying to ad hominem you in any way so I hope you will take the critique only as an attempt to make the discussion less of a distraction with more efficient dispersal of fundamental concepts. Not personal commentary.

You have good information to share. Share that alone and what you say might have much much greater sway.

"So by that logic, the others on this thread who are having the shutdown issue should have a new battery fitted.

Apple should pay for this as I honestly believe IOS 10 has cycled these batteries over their usable limit.

Adrian, based on Apple's warranty and financial numbers, they probably replace up to 400$K iPhones a month worldwide. Some could be user related under Apple Care (e.g. cracked screen). So yes, Apple pays for these. As for paying for all contingencies and early failures, 2nd or 3d year, every single Apple vendor I witness selling an iPhone recommends Apple Care, with due consideration for hardware replacement and battery. May sound like a sales pitch, but they mean what they say as they see it daily! Apple also gains from the exchange, as it reuses many of the bricked phone parts. So it is not entirely a loose proposition for Cuppertino.

That is up to 2 years coverage, and 3 if paying with a CC and x2 hardware replacements. Many people refuse to pay it. Anyone I helped shopping gets it, and quite a few had their phones replaced for issues, e.g. sudden death, overheating battery, etc.

however, speaking of millennial and money, I also cross paths with many people whom exchange their phones every 18-24 months (every other release). So money or reliability to them is not an issue. South Americans and Europeans I recently met a conference all rushed to buy the 7 (less $ than their native countries), and they swap them every 2 years. Yet, relatively speaking, their incomes are 25-40% of ours and spend top dollar frequently.

The best advocacy anyone can make is the ditching of Li-Ion technology. Apple, Samsung, Dell, Microsoft and many more have acquired mind boggling battery patents - all the way to weeks of use per single cell- yet nothing is moving in that field. All these are public record BTW, and scientific papers document these developments. Yet we are using technology that can go bad in one week, or burst in 1000C flames randomly..

That was as diplomatically sarcastic as one could muster. He accused Apple for hiring me to dish his concerns and dabble in conspiracy theories. It was quite silly (a very polite 'silly') and generally comments like his deserve to be squashed and deleted. And are regularly deleted here. I see them in my mail box but removed from the forum..

inventing stuff has no place here. I do not shy from calling him on it.

The best advocacy anyone can make is the ditching of Li-Ion technology. Apple, Samsung, Dell, Microsoft and many more have acquired mind boggling battery patents - all the way to weeks of use per single cell- yet nothing is moving in that field. All these are public record BTW, and scientific papers document these developments.

I'm not sure having patents makes battery technology ready for prime time. It is easy to say ditch the Li-Ion tech, but do you know for certain that the rest of the battery tech out there is ready to roll out in 100's of millions of devices right now?

Perhaps Apples push for its new battery division is an indication that Apple is trying to make a move and be more in control in the future, but I know of no move as of yet to switch out of Li-Ion tech currently.

Do you have more info on this Bellisarius?