iOS 10.1 Battery drain

Hi Evagorasc, Belisarius is right in his main argument: Batteries are consumables and degrade according to the way they are used.

However, he only focuses on that, he has obviously not felt the realisation of having upgraded to IOS 10 and his battery suddenly drains and goes bang.

Like we have, to us it is obvious, IOS 9 = fine, IOS 10 = dead.

The proof is that in an unheard of turn of events, Apple released in depth battery diagnostic tools in 10.2.

You just do not do that if there is not an issue with the IOS or the battery, even a fool can see this.

So, our case is proved, IOS 10 has affected batteries in an adverse way.

Whether Apple admit to anything is another matter.

The floodgates may well open and yes, you will get the freeloaders with their 4 year old well-used and knackered iPhone 5's asking for them to be replaced.

However, you will also get the honest owner, who looks after their phone, charges it properly and then suddenly after September 2016 it is rendered unusable.

I do not know how Apple would manage that if it came to it.

But what is completely inexcusable is Apple's lack of comment.

On this alone I am considering going Nokia (after all these years) if it turns out a good smartphone later in 2017.

[Edit: I think one of the reasons why less people are posting here is that, as I mentioned previously, Santa has brought them a new phone. If Apple issued new IOS releases in January it may well have been a different story.]

Adrian.

"So, let's sum up. iOS10 creates a problem for many of us, we create a thread here hoping for a solution, Apple completely ignores the hundreds and hundreds of us, then apparently gets tired of bad publicity and hires someone to join this thread ( ~Belisarius~ ) to simply argue anything said, turning this thread into a useless exchange and thus drive people away.

Really Apple? Wow. I am utterly disgusted."

Fortunately, I am only here to save you from yourself, and to lift up your spirits pointing out that you were not let down by a company's policy, but by technology. In parallel, have contributed to the MBP short battery fiasco (submitted feedback to Gizmodo, whose staff gets invited at Apple events. Does not get more critical than Alex Crantz slamming Apple for DOA MBPs. Of course everything you wrote is pure unfounded speculation, which essentially rules out your not having used any deductive, scientific or not, method of analysis. Or no methodology for that matter. You focused on an individual, and not the science or arguments. Quite a few people did as recommended and had their phones working in time for NYT Square NYE 4k filming. Where were you and your iPhone at? Blaming Apple? How did that go for you?

If you find the exchange useless, then I must bow for you as you master everything- the science, the corporate approaches, troubleshooting, getting a new iPhone like Mjolcresure. this forum is for those not thinking it pointless, and coming out with a new AHA! And is also not for master conspiracy theorists, faked moon landings and Aliens taking over Hollywood... With your powers, you should already have figured out what went wrong and offered a clear working hypothesis, leading to some clear thesis and course of action.

Had once an Iphone 5 battery go bad after accidentally turning the flashlight on a few times- 30 min later I fel tthe heat in the pocket. A second one was revealed faulty with iOS 7 update. I never regarded the iOS as culprit- even if it stressed the battery and exposed the MC fault.

how about those tens of thousand of Nissan Leaf owners, 30,000$, second year dropping to 75% charge? If not for lemon Laws in the US, Nissan would have gotten away with it. The point is, the best protest you can make - and I will join- is against the widespread use of poor reliability tech, namely single-cell, smartphone grade Li-Ion batteries...

Tokyo Ferret, cold shut down is cleary explained at Battery University. But any Canadian going skiing or snow-mobiling sub 10F to -20F, knows to keep the phone against the chest or it will brick 20 min outside. have seen 5-10F (-5 C) iPhones (forgotten in car) just drain in 5 seconds when touching the home button and shutdown. Li-Ion batteries do not work in the cold, the chemical reaction stops..

Glad your situation has improved.

Fortunately, I am only here to save you from yourself, and to lift up your spirits pointing out that you were not let down by a company's policy, but by technology.

The synospsis that begins with the sentence above is the very type of comment which alienates people and makes it impossible to lift anyones spirits.

Perhaps you are unaware of how what you type about peoples motives, inferiority, flawed intellects and such distracts from anything valuable you would say. I would put out there that that such commentary is even a put off for those others who you wish to impart your information to. Many if not most will simply click past real information because they don't want to waste time reading people arguing or attacking one another.... they are here simply to find pertinent info.

Not chaff and personal filler.... not a food fight.

Rather than informing the discussion or elevating it, words about other peoples intellects and motives tends to turn people away thus defeating the points you would wish to make in providing pertinent information.

Not trying to ad hominem you in any way so I hope you will take the critique only as an attempt to make the discussion less of a distraction with more efficient dispersal of fundamental concepts. Not personal commentary.

You have good information to share. Share that alone and what you say might have much much greater sway.

"So by that logic, the others on this thread who are having the shutdown issue should have a new battery fitted.

Apple should pay for this as I honestly believe IOS 10 has cycled these batteries over their usable limit.

Adrian, based on Apple's warranty and financial numbers, they probably replace up to 400$K iPhones a month worldwide. Some could be user related under Apple Care (e.g. cracked screen). So yes, Apple pays for these. As for paying for all contingencies and early failures, 2nd or 3d year, every single Apple vendor I witness selling an iPhone recommends Apple Care, with due consideration for hardware replacement and battery. May sound like a sales pitch, but they mean what they say as they see it daily! Apple also gains from the exchange, as it reuses many of the bricked phone parts. So it is not entirely a loose proposition for Cuppertino.

That is up to 2 years coverage, and 3 if paying with a CC and x2 hardware replacements. Many people refuse to pay it. Anyone I helped shopping gets it, and quite a few had their phones replaced for issues, e.g. sudden death, overheating battery, etc.

however, speaking of millennial and money, I also cross paths with many people whom exchange their phones every 18-24 months (every other release). So money or reliability to them is not an issue. South Americans and Europeans I recently met a conference all rushed to buy the 7 (less $ than their native countries), and they swap them every 2 years. Yet, relatively speaking, their incomes are 25-40% of ours and spend top dollar frequently.

The best advocacy anyone can make is the ditching of Li-Ion technology. Apple, Samsung, Dell, Microsoft and many more have acquired mind boggling battery patents - all the way to weeks of use per single cell- yet nothing is moving in that field. All these are public record BTW, and scientific papers document these developments. Yet we are using technology that can go bad in one week, or burst in 1000C flames randomly..

That was as diplomatically sarcastic as one could muster. He accused Apple for hiring me to dish his concerns and dabble in conspiracy theories. It was quite silly (a very polite 'silly') and generally comments like his deserve to be squashed and deleted. And are regularly deleted here. I see them in my mail box but removed from the forum..

inventing stuff has no place here. I do not shy from calling him on it.

The best advocacy anyone can make is the ditching of Li-Ion technology. Apple, Samsung, Dell, Microsoft and many more have acquired mind boggling battery patents - all the way to weeks of use per single cell- yet nothing is moving in that field. All these are public record BTW, and scientific papers document these developments.

I'm not sure having patents makes battery technology ready for prime time. It is easy to say ditch the Li-Ion tech, but do you know for certain that the rest of the battery tech out there is ready to roll out in 100's of millions of devices right now?

Perhaps Apples push for its new battery division is an indication that Apple is trying to make a move and be more in control in the future, but I know of no move as of yet to switch out of Li-Ion tech currently.

Do you have more info on this Bellisarius?

Off Topic for Bellisarius.

Just got a gift from Grandma of an iPad pro for the kids.

No Apple Care on it yet, but I haven't given it to them.

Just loading Art and Educational apps.

Any recommendation of what to get Apple Care wise?

I know B&H has 2 year plans for 99 bucks.

Any other recommendations by you? Extra year?

Thanks

It is a giant moving train- hundreds of millions of batteries are made each year, 100s millions of management controllers and microchips, etc, and all being moved by the ton/second towards all phone makers. The very halt to implement newer / better would cost anyone billions. So yes, in this competitive environment, economics play a role. It is said that Samsung skipped a one month certification process for the GN7 batteries and beat Apple's 7 release, and the rest is history.

We know Apple always seeks to innovate (https://www.wired.com/2015/03/apples-new-battery-tech/) . Zoom forward today and CR just slammed the new MBP battery as inconsistent.

G3 3 Li-Ion is expected to x2 capacity http://fortune.com/2016/08/21/mit-battery-spinoff-market-2017/

Li-Ion has a lot more potential at the nano- level- basically 3d print Li Ion filaments of nano size (vs current plate technology), condense them tighter and they can hold x20 to x100 more power. Then again, it is highly volatile and a single cell now can catch fire and burn through a plane floor. Imagine x20...

Then again, it raises the issue, the mad rush for mass-production, whomever makes a tiny error, the consequences are major (17Bn market loss for Samsung).

Apple is spending a lot of money on replacing current batteries under Apple Care..So yes, Apple is seeking to invent in the field due to mobility, rumored Apple Car (icloud connected) and much more..

While we are digressing on battery technology, I reckon this is the way forward:

http://fusionforenergy.europa.eu/understandingfusion/

In 1985 I chose to study Nuclear Engineering at Queen Mary College, London, starting in 1987.

Unfortunately in April 1986, Chernobyl happened and the only two Universities in Britain which offered the course (Queen Mary and Manchester) scrapped it.

So, I did Mechanical Engineering instead, and in a roundabout way now I have my own I.T. business.

Used to think of computers as a hobby since my ZX81 in 1981 and loved it, but as Confucius said:

"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

So anyway, technically I don't work anymore.

🙂

Forgot to wish everyone a Happy New Year.

Come on Apple, I know they say silence is Golden but this is ridiculous!

Adrian.

B&H is selling a discounted Actual Applecare+ for 2 years.

You get a code and it goes into Apples system.

I think I had one from B&H for the iMac.

Once the code was entered, when I went to Apple it showed a 2 year Applecare+ warranty.

Just wondering if you have additional suggestions regarding Applecare.

Thanks.

Sounds like a great deal, you are trully blessing them with gadgets.. 🙂

Umm, no xtra suggestions not for iPads. They are very reliable; due to indoor use, longer life and much larger battery- except kids break screens. A screen film helps.

Only suggestion is to ensure keeping the original receipt if a CC. Visa and MC offer an extra yr warranty so that makes it to 3 years.

Yep original iPad 2 is a tank. Keeps on going. No problems. Lasts forever on the Battery still.

Thinking I will get the Smart Keyboard and Zagg Invisible Shield. Should be good for the screen. Kids have to be sitting and "check out" the iPad from the daddy library and bring it back when their allotted time done. A very formal affair. Has worked well so far during the long 5 year life of our iPad 2 + with liberal dose of extra luck for lax moments in the system.

Amex gives an extra year against defects...not damage but still nice. Automatic coverage 1 year beyond Applecare + warranty too. 3 Years is nice.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/11/23/battery-breakthrough-will-let-p hones-charge-seconds-last-week/

Holy Handgrenades Batman.

Oh yeah... cannot wait seems a grossly deficient statement in this case.

Bring those on!!!

Paradigm shift.