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Macbook Pro Touch Bar - Consolidated Crash Discussion

Hi - trying to create a consolidated view of the various discussions of crashing with the new MBP with Touch Bar. There are a few overlapping discussions, and/but I thought it would be good to have a central place for people to refer to, and to share what they have been trying. I always find it is hard to track down useful info, but this seems widespread enough that combining forces should be worthwhile. I am also trying to put up as much useful info as I can - feel free to request additional info/logs if helpful and I'll post what I can.


Please link to other related threads in replies if helpful.


My situation:

  • I have the 15" MBP with Touch Bar (maxed out, except for only 1 TB SSD). Generally pretty happy with it, except:
  • Shortly after setting it up, I started experiencing intermittent crashes with reboots. This were highly varied in time and seeming cause. A few flavors:
    • Happened overnight while plugged into my Thunderbolt dock/monitor/keyboard/Drobo/etc. setup
    • Happened while sleeping (e.g., I'd wake from sleep to find myself rebooting), both on and off the charger.
    • Happened while sitting around not plugged into anything but the charger.
  • For these crashes, MOST of the time, I would get to "Your computer crashed" popup after reboot, though not always.
  • For my initial setup I used the migration assistant to move over. I have been using the migration assistant for a long time. Almost certainly too long. Over a decade. This is probably relevant. Was migrating from a 10,1 Retina MBP (I think 2013?).
  • I push my mac fairly hard with utlities and apps. This is also probably relevant. Even with my new from-scratch rebuild, I already have a dozen or so utlities/menu bar apps running that I use regularly.


Current status (as of 12/3/2016):

  • After talking with Apple support and going through all the usual suspects (let's do an SMC reset! let's do whatever "resetting the PRAM" is called now!), my rep wanted to backup/wipe the computer and try running clean for a day to determine if it was a software issue or hardware problem. I was perhaps cranky at this point and he transferred me over to a sales rep. Saee important note below.
  • After getting mostly over my crankiness (sorry, Anthony), I did as requested on my own, backup and reformat to scratch. I have been slowly re

    As an aside - as much of a pain as this has been, it's probably good for me. I've already saved ~200 GB of space on stuff I probably didn't really use/need any more. YMMV.

  • All that being said: I thought I was doing pretty well, as I had gone 24 hours without a crash. However - in the last 12 I have had two.
    • Both have been the same: laptop running, plugged into power and nothing else. The screen locks up, and then I get the dark gray "Your Machine Has Restarted" in lots of languages screen. I did NOT get the popup Crash Reporter after rebooting either time however (which is worrisome).
    • I have been slowly adding apps to my standard set. I'll try taking some out and see what happens.


Important note:

In talking with the Sales Rep, she claimed that we are currently in the Holiday Return Policy period - under which we have more time to return machines than the usual 14 day period. I am taking her at her word (I asked them to add that to my file) and continuing to try to test my MBP for a little while before I give up, in the hopes that I really can return it later if it continues to die repeatedly. Again, YMMV, and I haven't tested it yet, but you may want to ask about this if you have reached the point of giving up but are past your 14 days.


Apps/Utilities I have reinstalled of significance:

Listing a few apps that I have reinstalled, that seem plausible to be related as they do weird things, in the hopes that it really is software (all latest version except where noted):

  • TextExpander 5.1.4 - this is the pre-subscription version, and currently my primary suspect a) because it is an older version and b) because I had another issue with an app crashing that I narrowed down to this (under a different user). Currently off.
  • Hyperdock. Currently on but will not boot on restart (to rule out next crash).
  • Others running regularly, in no particular order: Keyboard Maestro; Bartender 2; Dropbox; Google Drive; Evernote, Divvy, 1Password, Hazel, Screen Sharing Menulet, iStat Menus, Slack, Mailplane 3


Other Threads I have been watching:

Brand New MacBook Pro 15" crashes and restarts randomly


Feel free to comment/add more. Hopefully we can narrow down crashes across the line.

MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2016), iOS 10.1.1

Posted on Dec 3, 2016 8:45 AM

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Dec 5, 2016 8:39 AM in response to fredfrommccormick

Thanks @fredfrommccormick - some good additional comments in that thread.


Latest on mine:

  • The good(?) news: My current crashes I have pretty clearly correlated with a sleep/wake issue. Left my computer running overnight in the middle of a bunch of work, no problem. Closed the lid and put it in my backpack (including ejecting a USB connected drobo through a Thunderbolt port, noted as some people have been seeing potential correlation there). Woke it an hour later and it had crashed.
  • The bad/weird new: Tried rebooting into safe mode to see if it would still crash during sleep, and the machine went NUTS. Display/draw issues, including lines up and down the screen, incredibly slow screen refreshes - eventually had to force reboot it. Sadly, that makes me MUCH more suspicious of a hardware problem. Sad panda.


I'll keep messing with it in and around meetings today, otherwise may give up and return it.

Dec 6, 2016 3:09 PM in response to Dgroo

OK, more data:

  • Was talking with a tech at a longtime Mac repair shop near my house, and he is of the opinion that the login screen glitch AND the bonkers safe mode stuff are "normal operation" these days. (Which sort of makes me question the moniker "safe mode", but I digress...) So - yay?
  • Crashiness is a bit less - I am now thinking it may be correlated to something in my secondary user account (I split up work and personal accounts), which I was lazy and migrated some of since it was a relatively recent creation.
  • DID have a touch bar/touch ID crash. Seems to be purely software related. Came back after a reboot.

Dec 11, 2016 9:42 PM in response to Dgroo

Hi,


I am also having crashes. around 5-8 times per day.


Few notes.

1. I bought two MBP 15" one for me, one for my wife. My wife's MBP started crashing/freezing in less than 30mins from first bootup from box. Zero softwares added to it. She was using Safari to fill out some forms, FB, general surfing, and it still crashed multiple times. My wife is now using her old Macbook Air again.


2. Mine MBP 15" has some basic software like office, etc, nothing heavy. Crashes can come from anything it'd seem.


3. Both of our MBP's are slightly upgraded, both have 1TB of SSD. 2.7 GHz i7. 16GB Ram. Intel GFX 530? Radeon 460?



****Is there a point to wait for a patch from Apple? or firmware update? Or should I run and return now before I can't return anymore? Both are under Apple Care.


*** I wonder/suspected if the crashes are coming from units that are different than the standard default. The poster here, the videos i've seen, and my 2 MBP's are all customed to some degree... ? coincidence? Any standard units also experiencing these issues?

Dec 13, 2016 7:57 PM in response to SkySteve1

New Information today.


I was having a voice call on my MBP, and then everything crashed again. Mouse moves, but can not click, everything else frozen.


My voice call continued!! zero impact on the voice call. The screen freezes at 1min 48s of the call, however I continued the call for another 10-20 minutes!


This seems a clear indication the freeze is screen or graphics card related. that the CPU, everything else is still running in the background. And the mouse cursor seems to run independent of the gfx card?


S

Dec 24, 2016 6:59 AM in response to fredfrommccormick

Just to follow up on my status with this - I've actually seen much improvement with a) the new OS update and b) breaking down and upgrading TextExpander. Since that last one, I haven't actually seen a full machine crash at all.


So FWIW, there may be some interactions between older software and the OS that cause certain issues for some machines.


Otherwise, I'm pretty stable, minus one weird intermittent wifi issue that I haven't tracked down.


I think I'm keeping my machine at this point unless something goes horribly awry.


Happy holidays everyone, and hope your problems are improving as well!

Dec 25, 2016 6:25 PM in response to Dgroo

Also to update.


After patch 10.12.2 , After a while it has become more stable. instead of crashing 5-8 times per day, now it is 1 crash in last 4 days.


Some notes.


1. When I tried the patch originally, it did not seem to work at first. On the first few minutes of new patch, I was excited, and chatting about how I hoped this patch would stop the crashes..... And then it froze on hoping no more crashes. Rebooted it , showed installing patch (ok maybe it didn't install??), then was chatting and ranting about how it crashed as I was hoping it didn't crash. Crashed again as I was swearing .... Turned it off in sadness.... this was now more frequent in crashes than before the patch ... like 2-5 mins after starting up.


2. Few days later, turned it on ... patch installing ... seemed like a problem with the patch STICKING? but system finally more stable ... no crashes .. but when I reboot / restart, it would still show patch installing. but system more stable


3. I don't see the patch installing 2 mins left thing anymore.... system seems more stable. but crashed last night, but it was after 3-4 days of usage. not really freaked out unless it happens again.


The above is all anecdotal. ... but all happened. .. if someone's experience is similar. hope it helps.


my personal feeling is the MacBook Pro is sub-optimal ... I think some stuff got throttled down in the patch. I have no data, but I hope this patch is a short-term fix.


I am still thinking of returning my MBP next week and just get a replacement unit ... maybe they'll be more flawless out of the next box?


Best wishes to all, and Merry Christmas

Dec 30, 2016 11:24 AM in response to SkySteve1

And to follow up again! The intermittent crashes on sleep are back. I am reasonably happy most of the time, but pretty routinely now if I sleep the computer and then wake it, it will have crashed/rebooted. Probably 3-5 times in the last few days. That is at present the only issue I am having, so I am curious if others have seen similar things.

Dec 31, 2016 4:50 AM in response to Dgroo

I have the same issue on my 15" Touch bar MacBook Pro . Sleep/wake crash and also sometimes when playing iTunes, browsing photos..etc.

First I removed Chrome to see if anything would improve, but it didn't. Then, turned off scaled (middle) resolution and returned to Native resolution which I hated. For a moment crashes were few, but it returned again. So I changed back to the Scaled (Looks like 1440x900) resolution which I find better and Turned off the File Vault to see if Crashes disappear. I will see for the next few days how it goes.

If this doesn't work, I might consider deleting the other user account I have to if thats the case. If not, id wait for apple to give us a new patch. I hope that ends this.

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