iTunes 12.7

IdrisSeabright wrote:

Pete Buchta wrote:

Expect app sales and down loads to drop drastically.

I don't expect to see that at all. I suspect that the people who use iTunes to manage their apps are a small percent of all iTunes users. I suspect they are not the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus. I suspect they are also not most of the lucrative demographic who use in-app purchasing.

And Apple has provided a version of iTunes that, as I understand it, will meet the needs of people who want to continue using iTunes.

Yes, that's right: it's about the difference between knowing how to operate something and how it works. The large majority of people know how to operate a smartphone but do not understand computers (let alone a file system).

Unfortunately for me and some in this thread, I'm not among the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus and I never use in-app purchasing. I explore and consider before acting. I like the precision of a mouse (and a keyboard), a large, multi-window screen and a file system without sandboxes.

The conclusion must be that increasingly the only use I will have for my iPhone in the future is as a passive device, on which to consult my agenda and some documents I copied there using some document reading app. All the productive work will have to be done on a different device.

RobertCailliau wrote:

IdrisSeabright wrote:

Pete Buchta wrote:

Expect app sales and down loads to drop drastically.

I don't expect to see that at all. I suspect that the people who use iTunes to manage their apps are a small percent of all iTunes users. I suspect they are not the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus. I suspect they are also not most of the lucrative demographic who use in-app purchasing.

And Apple has provided a version of iTunes that, as I understand it, will meet the needs of people who want to continue using iTunes.

Yes, that's right: it's about the difference between knowing how to operate something and how it works. The large majority of people know how to operate a smartphone but do not understand computers (let alone a file system).

Unfortunately for me and some in this thread, I'm not among the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus and I never use in-app purchasing. I explore and consider before acting. I like the precision of a mouse (and a keyboard), a large, multi-window screen and a file system without sandboxes.

The conclusion must be that increasingly the only use I will have for my iPhone in the future is as a passive device, on which to consult my agenda and some documents I copied there using some document reading app. All the productive work will have to be done on a different device.

You’re looking a different life stages in the maturation and acceptance of technology. There was a time when, to own a car, you had to know how to do your own repairs. This was because they broke down more and because there wasn’t an infrastructure to handle repairs. Most people who own cars now down’t do their own repairs. There was a time, in my memory, when, in order to own your own computer, you had to build it yourself. Those days are gone. You can stil build one that you program with switches if you want (it was a fun project back in the 70s). But most people don’t.

There is nothing special about knowing how to navigate the filing system on a device like a Mac. It says nothing about your understanding of how a computer works on a fundamental level. It says you know how to use that operating system.

We're drifting off-topic somewhat. I'm talking about the difference in using a computer for producing information as opposed to consuming it. Tablets and smartphones are good for the latter but rather poor for the former. It's therefore more like discussing the tools to make cars than the knowhow for repairing them. A smartphone could to some extent be production tool, but increasingly it's being pushed into a consumption device. There is a trend to push the laptop/desktop in that direction too, which is why some of us are upset with iTunes 12.7.

RobertCailliau wrote:

We're drifting off-topic somewhat. I'm talking about the difference in using a computer for producing information as opposed to consuming it. Tablets and smartphones are good for the latter but rather poor for the former.

That is such a worn out trope.

This ***** - Apple used to be a place to back up the groupings on the device. This new release takes that away and the App store just stores the purchased apps and not the grouping. A bit of notification would have been nice for those of us that had auto update on. I'll have to restore a computer backup now to get the last iTunes app that stored this and turn off auto update. Bad APPLE :-(

I have the same issue and none of the Apple answers seem to basically indicate where I can see my apps on my computer as I used to do it. The major reason I have been stuck with iPhone is because the connectivity between my MAC and the phone and the ability to avoid using cloud services for normal/regular things and also the ability to sync my computer with my iPhone. If Apple takes that away from my phone then there is no need to have an iPhone anymore... there are plenty of other phones that are cheaper then which lack computer connectivity as we used to have it. Since iPhone came to the market that has been something that no other phone platform has been able to do. The management of all my phone was through iTunes and now I have to do searches that lead nowhere to do what I used to do with a click... Unbelievable.

As of now I still do not know where my apps are and how to delete the ones I do not want to see/use anymore... No one in Apple knows or none them care...

Sad... very sad... I am strongly reconsider my update to iPhone now... what for, I spend more money and have lesser services and even more complications...

I am with you... one iPhone came out back in 2006 or so, the major reason to get it and continue to keep it was the connectivity between my Mac and the phone... That has been primarily the most reason to not go over the new smartphones...

ildefonso018 wrote:

I have the same issue and none of the Apple answers seem to basically indicate where I can see my apps on my computer as I used to do it.

The post immediately above yours explains how to do it.

Apple is not "supporting this release so use at your own risk

as they washed their hands of any responsibility of any malfunctions

and anyone using it is on their own:

Changes in the new iTunes - Apple Support

Looks like Apple is pushing for more iOS interaction than computer interaction.

iTunes 12.6.3:

OS X

Windows x32

Windows x64

Thank you @drewreece! That works!!!

yes...and any and all changes seem to have to be done device by device.....bad move Apple...as if they care.

Removing "applications" from iTunes is just incredibly stupid, no other word suffices. Maybe the reason is that Apple has begun to hire some ex-Microsoft designers/programmers for iTunes.