iTunes 12.7

Pete Buchta wrote:

Expect app sales and down loads to drop drastically.

I don't expect to see that at all. I suspect that the people who use iTunes to manage their apps are a small percent of all iTunes users. I suspect they are not the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus. I suspect they are also not most of the lucrative demographic who use in-app purchasing.

And Apple has provided a version of iTunes that, as I understand it, will meet the needs of people who want to continue using iTunes.

woodmeister50 wrote:

And more incentive for jailbreaking and developing

of jailbreaking, and associated security issues.

Really? How does jailbreaking restore app management to iTunes on a computer?

Yes, I too want to use a large screen and a mouse for managing the content of my iPad, iPhone.

In addition, through iTunes 12.7 my wife just lost all the albums she created for important document photos on her iPhone. Any way to get those albums back? Or are they hidden somewhere?

She could recreate them (with her fingers) on the iPhone but wants to use her iMac and a mouse.

Old Toad wrote:

Opps. With this new format I missed the first last 8 pages of this topic.

The number of times I've started composing a new reply to the last post on page 1 and then realized that it is a longer thread... 😠

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Please excuse this question from an unsophisticated newcomer. I have an iMac with OS 10.12.6 and iTunes 12.7. My iPhone 8 has iOS 11.0.2. I have read through this thread but can not see a resolution to my specific question(s).

I download an iOS app which I see on a web page. The app is downloaded fine over wifi and appears OK on my iPhone screen. Prior to iTunes 12.7 if I backed up my iPhone to my iMac the app would appear in the Applications list in the phone's segment of iTunes. After a closer look at the app I decide I do not wish to retain it at present but wish to be able to reinstall it on my iPhone if I think I will need it later. Again in pre-iTunes 12.7 I had two ways to delete the app from my iPhone. One, by clicking 'Remove' in the Applications list where it would remain and then Sync or, two, by deleting it from the phone [click on the jiggling x and confirm].

Now it seems I have only one way which is the latter. Remove directly from the iPhone screen.

The question now is where does that app go to? complete delete from the phone? if so, how do i retrieve it back on to the phone if I decide later that I want it . Do I have to search for the app, where? Of course it is not in the App Store for that is only for Mac apps. Neither is it in the iTunes Store because iOS apps are no longer provided there.

I have found the collection of iOS apps on my computer [Music>iTunes>Mobile Applications] but of course that lists only the apps which I have or deleted prior to 12.7. And in any case I can not see how to reinstall any of those.

Where do I look to seek new iOS apps?

Sorry if this appears convoluted but I am confused by this change.

I would appreciate any help in pointing me in the right direction.

IdrisSeabright wrote:

Pete Buchta wrote:

Expect app sales and down loads to drop drastically.

I don't expect to see that at all. I suspect that the people who use iTunes to manage their apps are a small percent of all iTunes users. I suspect they are not the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus. I suspect they are also not most of the lucrative demographic who use in-app purchasing.

And Apple has provided a version of iTunes that, as I understand it, will meet the needs of people who want to continue using iTunes.

Yes, that's right: it's about the difference between knowing how to operate something and how it works. The large majority of people know how to operate a smartphone but do not understand computers (let alone a file system).

Unfortunately for me and some in this thread, I'm not among the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus and I never use in-app purchasing. I explore and consider before acting. I like the precision of a mouse (and a keyboard), a large, multi-window screen and a file system without sandboxes.

The conclusion must be that increasingly the only use I will have for my iPhone in the future is as a passive device, on which to consult my agenda and some documents I copied there using some document reading app. All the productive work will have to be done on a different device.

RobertCailliau wrote:

IdrisSeabright wrote:

Pete Buchta wrote:

Expect app sales and down loads to drop drastically.

I don't expect to see that at all. I suspect that the people who use iTunes to manage their apps are a small percent of all iTunes users. I suspect they are not the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus. I suspect they are also not most of the lucrative demographic who use in-app purchasing.

And Apple has provided a version of iTunes that, as I understand it, will meet the needs of people who want to continue using iTunes.

Yes, that's right: it's about the difference between knowing how to operate something and how it works. The large majority of people know how to operate a smartphone but do not understand computers (let alone a file system).

Unfortunately for me and some in this thread, I'm not among the people who buy apps on the spur of the moment while waiting in a line or sitting on a bus and I never use in-app purchasing. I explore and consider before acting. I like the precision of a mouse (and a keyboard), a large, multi-window screen and a file system without sandboxes.

The conclusion must be that increasingly the only use I will have for my iPhone in the future is as a passive device, on which to consult my agenda and some documents I copied there using some document reading app. All the productive work will have to be done on a different device.

You’re looking a different life stages in the maturation and acceptance of technology. There was a time when, to own a car, you had to know how to do your own repairs. This was because they broke down more and because there wasn’t an infrastructure to handle repairs. Most people who own cars now down’t do their own repairs. There was a time, in my memory, when, in order to own your own computer, you had to build it yourself. Those days are gone. You can stil build one that you program with switches if you want (it was a fun project back in the 70s). But most people don’t.

There is nothing special about knowing how to navigate the filing system on a device like a Mac. It says nothing about your understanding of how a computer works on a fundamental level. It says you know how to use that operating system.

RobertCailliau wrote:

We're drifting off-topic somewhat. I'm talking about the difference in using a computer for producing information as opposed to consuming it. Tablets and smartphones are good for the latter but rather poor for the former.

That is such a worn out trope.

I have the same issue and none of the Apple answers seem to basically indicate where I can see my apps on my computer as I used to do it. The major reason I have been stuck with iPhone is because the connectivity between my MAC and the phone and the ability to avoid using cloud services for normal/regular things and also the ability to sync my computer with my iPhone. If Apple takes that away from my phone then there is no need to have an iPhone anymore... there are plenty of other phones that are cheaper then which lack computer connectivity as we used to have it. Since iPhone came to the market that has been something that no other phone platform has been able to do. The management of all my phone was through iTunes and now I have to do searches that lead nowhere to do what I used to do with a click... Unbelievable.

As of now I still do not know where my apps are and how to delete the ones I do not want to see/use anymore... No one in Apple knows or none them care...

Sad... very sad... I am strongly reconsider my update to iPhone now... what for, I spend more money and have lesser services and even more complications...

I am with you... one iPhone came out back in 2006 or so, the major reason to get it and continue to keep it was the connectivity between my Mac and the phone... That has been primarily the most reason to not go over the new smartphones...

Thank you @drewreece! That works!!!

yes...and any and all changes seem to have to be done device by device.....bad move Apple...as if they care.

Removing "applications" from iTunes is just incredibly stupid, no other word suffices. Maybe the reason is that Apple has begun to hire some ex-Microsoft designers/programmers for iTunes.

Yes, completely agreed! It's a stupid thing!