WiFi in iOS 11 keeps turning on

Now you're just being selfish. Since it's not useful to you, none of us should have it? It's very useful to many of us. And again, YOU CAN TURN OFF WIFI. Just turn it off if you must. And you really need to learn about security. Which is surprising for someone who came in and boasted about being a communications engineer. Surprising indeed.

Amakahi wrote:

But data is not encrypted by Apple when leaving the phone, that is between the apps and the network layer to do. If it is a public wifi, it is easy to packet-sniff if you are not VPN. And VPN is not always set up right either. What does an iphone use for encryption? WPA2? Not seeing anything stronger. This is why private companies insist employees use vpn for company server connection. There's nothing wrong with apple here...it just is what it is.

Nice to have an intelligent discussion. iPhone uses WPA2 as the preferred method, and displays a warning for anything less. It also supports enterprise standards, but almost no one uses them anymore. In addition, all Apple apps use TLS, and they require 3rd party apps to do so also. The only real interception risk the user; if a user connects to a non-SSL site through a browser then of course there is a risk, but non-SSL sites are rapidly disappearing as implementing it on a site is trivial, there are now free certificate authorities, and Google displays warnings for unsecure sites. Right now I am on a VPN connection on a hotel's unsecured network using a VPN hardware device (https://keezel.co/).

Regarding turning off Location Services, I can see that might be a security requirement in certain sensitive situations. However, even with Location Services off, if cellular is enabled your location is easy to trace through the cellular network. The police use this routinely to track suspects (there's a Supreme Court case pending on whether this requires a warrant), and I'm sure the bad guys (at the very least foreign governments) can use the same technology the police use, so unless you turn your phone off completely your location can still be tracked, even with Location Services off.

This is off-topic, however, as we are discussing a device connected to Wi-Fi, which you clearly can't do if Wi-Fi is off.

toastysandwich wrote:

Hi, turning bluetooth off in settings doesn't stop it from automatically reconnecting later - this 'feature' is a pain

It does on my phone. I turned my Bluetooth off on December 18 when I went on vacation in Paris. When I got home on December 29 my Bluetooth was still off. If yours turns on there is something seriously wrong with your phone; you should make a Genius Bar appointment to find out why your phone is defective.

Roo2330 wrote:

You are absolutely right! Like with most things, We the People have and must be willing to wield our power. That power is that of consumers. A swift and clear message to those that think we “need” these functions because we are “too stupid or lazy” to turn on or off automatically, will wake up if the product are no longer purchased. I too love my iPhone/Pad etc., but losing control of these “smart machines” is an effing no-go in my book.

Nice use of hyperbole. The need for this feature has nothing to do with thinking people are too stupid or lazy (although apparently some people find it too much work to go to Settings>WiFi to turn it off. That does seem a bit lazy to me.). It's a question of making it possible to disconnect from a WiFi network without turning off WiFi. That was not an option before. It is an additional, extremely useful feature.

You've only lost control of your iPhone if you haven't bothered to figure out how it works or are too lazy to turn off WiFi in one of the ways provided.

I agree that this is annoying. When working in an environment that has many different wifi signals for different security levels - if I walk across the room, it decides to hook back up to a wifi. Or it asks if i want to join a wifi. Sometimes i dont have the time to go into the control center and turn everything off - i really would like the ability to turn off wifi or bluetooth from the control page without having to go through several setting pages. You should change this apple!!! So annoying and unproductive!

Codahaydn wrote:

Thank you. That will solve the “popping up” problem. Is there a solution to have the quick access page turn off the wifi for longer than just till “the next day” when it automatically turns back on?

Why in the world would you EVER want to turn off WiFi? The only effect on your system is that Location Services will be slower and less accurate. By the way, the Control Center does NOT turn it off. It merely disconnects the exiting WiFi connection as described in the iPhone User Guide.

lianafromjakarta wrote:

Agree, this is supper annoying, because its keeps popping up, and it drains battery

Please, change this back as before, Apple

What keeps popping up? Did you read the thread before posting? If you turn off WiFi (Settings>WiFi>Off) it will stay off until you turn it back on (Settings>WiFi>On). And, even if it is on, it will have minimal effect on your battery life.

That is what Apple says, as customer of the iph 7plus and now iph 10, I experience that is does drain battery.

It is what I say as well.

My battery usage has not increased at all since this feature was implemented.

There are tens of millions of users now with this feature and perhaps hundreds, maybe even thousands moaning about it.

Do the math.

We do not have to agree.

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lianafromjakarta wrote:

Off course wifi does not drains battery, what does, iis if the phone keeps searching for wifi all the time while there isnt any available.... That why I would like to turn wife off when I cant rely on any wifi at some moments or places

Leaving WiFi on doesn't have a significant impact on your battery life. See this article written by an electrical engineer:

Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Battery Drain and other considerations

Adriantz wrote:

I havr the same problem! After I disconnect from my wireless lan in the night, in the morning I find my phone connected. I consider this problem a user safety violation! I sleep with my phone next to my head. It s not normal to have non stop wi fi radio going trough my brain. Please resolve problem with a bug fix update. Best regards. Still an iphone fan 🙂 keep up the good work!

Fascinating... You incorrectly believe that the WiFi is a "user safety violation" so your solution is to sleep with the phone next to your head. You're worried about a "non stop WiFi radio" going through your brain yet you refuse to go into Settings/WiFi and turn it off although, ironically, it's totally unnecessary to turn it off.

It’s not handy. It’s a pain.

Let’s consider generic use of switches. There are two modes - on or off. When it’s on, the device which is turned on can control its features, power etc. When it’s off, it should be OFF. There could be a third mode on the switch which could enable or disable certain features. But off means closed, shut down, will not work, I don’t need it now, no lights - take your pick. Now the control center switches for wifi and Bluetooth are short cuts to switches. That’s how they were designed and introduced and used. Until this new, non intuitive enhancement came in.

I turn the wifi off before getting into a bus. 30 seconds later when I am on the bus, wifi is on, trying to connect to slow bus wifi. Great. That’s how well thought out design should be?

Please please turn this feature “off”.

Regards

marvin270: I agree with you, it could be much simpler. I have been trying to rational the same in this forum, but I also see that it’s kind of pointless to discuss here. Apple fanboys would not even consider things don’t differently, just because it has been implemented that way by Apple. There will be all sorts of arguments in favor of this “feature” which is actually a mistake. Sorry if this sounds discouraging, but it’s a fact.

And yes, I don’t want to use Siri to turn off features. Speaking in public places to a device is not the norm where I stay. And yes there are other ways to turn wifi off, but none is as fast as swiping down or up and hitting that shortcut while your phone is locked.

Lastly, apple’s selling point was not to have an instruction manual for the phone. The fact that features like this require you to read manuals or instructions itself proves that this is not implemented as per Apple’s design philosophy.

IdrisSeabright: Noting it somewhere does not make it right. I agree that just because I don’t like this implementation, it’s wrong. However, look at how Apple has built its market position and leadership using “intuition-is-the-innovation” approach. For a new iPhone user, is this feature intuitive?

There are numerous articles on this, you can read one here:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apples-real-innovation-killing-instruction-manual -192129409.html

Moreover, you cannot deny that turning it off completely saves some battery power. If it is disabled, iOS will keep searching for known wifi spots to reconnect to. For older iPhones, every ounce of processing power saved is a plus.

I appreciate the reverence for Apple. And yes it is right that there are other ways to turn off wifi, except for the one being debated here - through control center. All other mobile operating systems including Android have kept it simple till now - a shortcut button does it’s intended purpose. We never know when they might also adopt the same approach as apple though.. Also let’s keep aside the fact that this thread itself is 101 pages long now - which itself speaks for the trouble humans are having to understand this feature.

We all know why Apple made this change - to favor connectivity to their products ( Apple Watch and AirPods specifically). If this is truly to promote customer convenience, would this same feature be extended to Bluetooth and wifi devices of other manufacturers? I am sure the answer is NO.

What would be most interesting is if this change is somehow rolled back in next versions of iOS. I can’t wait to read the blind support for that decision then :-)

Yeah this is horrible and from what I read it’s on purpose! Apple needs to change this right away!