WiFi in iOS 11 keeps turning on

coreybenson wrote:

Really? You never ever need to join another WiFi network?

I’m trying to figure out how regimented your life must be. Personally, I move around quite a bit... I’m always popping on and off WiFi networks. Hotels, entertainment centers, fairgrounds, coffee shops... etc.

Again, if it’s working for you, great. It ***** bawls for me.

Really? You really believe all that? You honestly don't understand how the iPhone works?

I’m someone who’s willing to be taught, so I did what was suggested. I’ve turned off Ask to Join.

Same exact experience walking to my office yesterday morning. Phone stopped streaming multiple times due to connecting to overwhelmed or bad Xfinity hotspots.

I’m cranky about this change... and your suggested change didn’t help. Thoughts?

I don't think I've ever posted to this forum before, but feel compelled to because I just discovered this answer (thanks!) and find this "feature" really, really annoying. Apple should always ask itself: What would Steve Jobs do? The thing I love about iPhone is its relative simplicity. I've tried Android a couple of times, but what keeps me coming back to iPhone is the relative ease-of-access of things.

Here's a riddle: What is a switch that is not a switch? Answer: the wifi switch in the iOS 11 control center! What would Steve Jobs do? He would have switches behave like switches: If I go to the control center and click a button that toggles wifi, it should turn wifi on and off. Not sort of off, for a little while at least. But off.

There are so many cases where you want to simply turn wifi off, easily. At work, on a university campus: sometimes the wifi is spotty, so I just want to switch to LTE for the day. Or when running: running into and out of wifi zones throws some audio apps for a loop. Of course the apps should seamlessly switch between wifi and LTE, that's not something Apple can control. Nor can it control a weak wifi signal as your run out of range.

Again: Switch. On/Off. Easy. There's no need to make a switch complicated. And I'm quite sure Steve would agree with me/us on this one.

rhenish wrote:

As for Steve Jobs... well, it's not so much about him, but the philosophy he espoused of simplicity and intuitiveness that one hopes can continue to rule the day on these functional details.

As part of that philosophy of simplicity (and his believe that he was always right), he didn't tend to give very many choices. Whether or not something is "intuitive" depends largely on the individual, their needs and their experiences. I find this new functionality to be incredibly brilliant and "intuitive". My opinions are only my own. However, I think the this use of the buttons is very much in line with Apple's apparent expectation that the iPhone is an always connected device.

Philly_Phan wrote:

I get a kick out of those that obviously are clueless about Mr. Jobs and allege that he would do things their way.

I've often wondered what Woz thinks of the beatification of Jobs.

Dr_Gorgeous wrote:

Customers have come to expect a certain behavior from this button. Apple changed it - and *clearly* people are confused by that change. Apple didnt meaningfully modify the appearance of the switches to indicate this changed functionality. People believe the switch does something it no longer does. *That’s the security concern* Further, there have been recent weaknesses discovered in both bluetooth and WPA2. To clarify: Are we sure the red phone button still hangs up the phone when we make phone calls? Or should we always be concerned that functions we’ve had need to he fully researched each time we update our phones?

Yes! Change is bad. Are you still using MS-DOS?

Well, petulance is his modus operandi... so, I wouldn’t expect to engage in useful conversation. Basically, his response has been “If you don’t like it you’re dumb!”

It’s a significant and irritating change. Even after following his instructions, I’m experiencing the same issue.

The only way to turn off WiFi is to go into settings, rather than the intuitive button in the control center. However, the following morning (or in my case, once I return home in the evening), WiFi turns itself back on and you need to go, again, to shut it off in settings.

It SEEMS like a minor inconvenience, but in my case, it’s irritating.

And now he’ll respond with yet another snarky comment suggesting I’m a moron.

Apple please let me decide/control when to enable/disable WiFi and don’t force turning it back on. I need the convenience of the control center but the control of the settings. I am consistently super frustrated and slowed down by this.

dhatkovsky wrote:

I've done. So i believe did many. Apple just throws your feedbacks to a trashcan... Sad..

Just because they don't immediately make the change you want doesn't men they don't read the feedback. It's important to remember that sometimes the answer to a request is "No".

William Kucharski wrote:

That is far from the truth; Apple has in fact made multiple changes based upon feedback sent via the feedback form.

Frequently I wish that they wouldn't. They have been known to go out of their way to satisfy whiners.

I completely agree with your statement: "Apple cares more about their customers ability to share everything rather than their actual[ly} security."

I don't like my bluetooth on except when I'm at home with my personal speaker, but I kept finding bluetooth on. As well as WiFi - I thought I was losing my mind and not remembering I turned it on until I purposely started watching it. Now it keeps connecting to my local cafe's WiFi and Starbuck's WiFi anytime I'm near it. I usually only turn it on when I need to download a large file then turn it right back off. Now, that's a pain in the *** to do.

This is a really bad judgement on Apple's part to change this feature!

I unfortunately just upgraded to the iPhone 7. Had I known I would have such issues (including other issues I've had with this piece of crap), I would've sadly left the Apple family. I don't know what's happening, but technology seems to have more and more issues these days.

Security is no longer. They should be fully aware of the dangers of having bluetooth/wifi on randomly connecting to networks. But, who cares really who gets your info. It's easier for the phone to be tracked and data to be pulled when such things are on.

I'm ready to give up cell phones all together. This is getting ridiculous!

generaluwf wrote:

They should be fully aware of the dangers of having bluetooth/wifi on randomly connecting to networks. But, who cares really who gets your info. It's easier for the phone to be tracked and data to be pulled when such things are on.

Your phone does not "randomly" connect to networks. You have to give it permission. Should you avoid connecting to networks you know nothing about? Yes. Does leaving WiFi on represent a security threat? No.

Agreed, but the problem is if I jump on a network to download something then turn off WiFi, my phone still sees that connection as a safe network and remembers it. It will now automatically reconnect if WiFi is on and I’m in the vicinity. I don't like to leave my WiFi open. But, now, my phone recognizes, say Starbucks WiFi, as safe since I've been on it before and connects automatically. So, not a random network, but still an open network I don’t want to be on. I now have to go into settings each time to turn off WiFi or "forget network." What’s the point of the control panel option if it doesn’t turn it off.

Just because I was on a network once before doesn't mean I automatically want to reconnect every time I'm in the vicinity. That's what I was referring to. That is a security problem.

In addition, I have a dead spot in my house. The WiFi signal is very weak, so if I’m in that room, I’ll turn WiFi off and go on cellular. Now, I have to go into settings and turn it completely off. Just clicking the option in the control panel disconnects momentarily, but then I find it reconnected 2 minutes later. Just seems pointless to have that option in the control panel just to disconnect momentarily. The old way could work the same way. Turn WiFi off, wait a few seconds, then turn it back on - if you needed to disconnect and reconnect.

Is there a way to remove all recognized networks? I don't know which ones my phone recognizes. If I'm going to have WiFi on all the time, I'd like to forget all previously connected networks. Don't see that option in the WiFi settings area. If you know how to do so, I'd greatly appreciate the help. I'd prefer to remove known networks instead of having to go into settings every time to turn WiFi off.

Thanks IdrisSeabright!