Multiple Macs backup up to one External HD

I am evaluating how to do the following… and do not want to use TimeMachine.

I have about half a dozen various Macs.. laptops, desktops … mostly running 10.8.

I want to use an external Seagate 4TB HD to create a backup of each of these.


I gather what I need to do is create a partition that is as large as each of the various

machines, for each of their respective HDs. So that said, what's the procedure? I'm

second guessing this but what I figured I need to do is make a list of the max capacity

of each HD of the various machines…then - all at once, create partitions that match

each respective volume size. I assume I can do this in Disk Utility. I understand that

i can't add partitions on the fly, as-i-go after creating say, the first one or two but rather,

have to do it all up front.


Can anyone verify that is the best strategy before I start the project? I'm also debating

Super Duper or CCC as the backup app.. I simply don't like TIme Machine and would

rather use a simpler backup app. Also, I presume each of these backups can and should

be made bootable, which I think can be specified in either SD or CCC. Thanks very much

for any help!

Mac mini (Late 2012), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Feb 6, 2018 6:25 PM

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Posted on Feb 7, 2018 7:15 AM

If you are going to partition the backup disk, then you have a copy of SuperDuper on each Mac, and take the backup disk to each Mac, plug it in, and run SuperDuper to that Mac's backup partition. This will create bootable clones for each Mac.


If you want to use a Sparse Disk Image, which is NOT bootable, and would be more involved in restoring your data. In the Sparse Disk Image model, you do not need to partition the backup disk, as Sparse Disk Images are just regular files on any storage device. The advantage of a Sparse Disk Image, is it only takes the amount of space needed to backup what you have on the Mac being backed up and you do not need to partition. The disadvantage is that it is more work to completely restore a Mac. Just restoring a few lost files is easy, it is restoring everything, including the operating system that is a pain with a Sparse Disk Image.


To mitigate the problems of restoring a Sparse Disk Image model, you could create 1 partition where you could create a bootable clone of the newest macOS version that will run on "ALL" your Macs, then the rest of the disk space would be for Sparse Disk Images. If you have to restore everything for a Mac, you would boot the bootable clone, and run SuperDuper to restore the Sparse Disk Image to the Macs boot disk.


There can be lots of different backups approaches, and they can get messy. This is why Apple provides Time Machine with a simple 1 external disk per Mac and macOS manages everything. When you move away from that, things get "Interesting" 🙂


As to using the left over disk space for an extra partition where you would put Sparse Disk Images, and the other partitions would be bootable clones. You can do that, but it seems a bit redundant, as a sparse disk image contains the same data, stored in a different way, on the same disk. So having 2 copies of almost the same information doesn't really help you if you loose the backup disk. You could compromise, in that you could do bootable clones for those Macs that you MUST have available and back in service as soon as possible, by booting the bootable clone, and for the Macs that can wait until you get-around-to-it, you could use Sparse Disk Images, and use one of the bootable clones to aid in restoring the Sparse Disk Image. See "Interesting" 🙂

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Feb 7, 2018 7:15 AM in response to MIKEinMICH

If you are going to partition the backup disk, then you have a copy of SuperDuper on each Mac, and take the backup disk to each Mac, plug it in, and run SuperDuper to that Mac's backup partition. This will create bootable clones for each Mac.


If you want to use a Sparse Disk Image, which is NOT bootable, and would be more involved in restoring your data. In the Sparse Disk Image model, you do not need to partition the backup disk, as Sparse Disk Images are just regular files on any storage device. The advantage of a Sparse Disk Image, is it only takes the amount of space needed to backup what you have on the Mac being backed up and you do not need to partition. The disadvantage is that it is more work to completely restore a Mac. Just restoring a few lost files is easy, it is restoring everything, including the operating system that is a pain with a Sparse Disk Image.


To mitigate the problems of restoring a Sparse Disk Image model, you could create 1 partition where you could create a bootable clone of the newest macOS version that will run on "ALL" your Macs, then the rest of the disk space would be for Sparse Disk Images. If you have to restore everything for a Mac, you would boot the bootable clone, and run SuperDuper to restore the Sparse Disk Image to the Macs boot disk.


There can be lots of different backups approaches, and they can get messy. This is why Apple provides Time Machine with a simple 1 external disk per Mac and macOS manages everything. When you move away from that, things get "Interesting" 🙂


As to using the left over disk space for an extra partition where you would put Sparse Disk Images, and the other partitions would be bootable clones. You can do that, but it seems a bit redundant, as a sparse disk image contains the same data, stored in a different way, on the same disk. So having 2 copies of almost the same information doesn't really help you if you loose the backup disk. You could compromise, in that you could do bootable clones for those Macs that you MUST have available and back in service as soon as possible, by booting the bootable clone, and for the Macs that can wait until you get-around-to-it, you could use Sparse Disk Images, and use one of the bootable clones to aid in restoring the Sparse Disk Image. See "Interesting" 🙂

Feb 6, 2018 8:56 PM in response to MIKEinMICH

It is a poor strategy. If the disk fails you lose all the backups for every computer. The proper way is one backup drive per computer.


Basic Backup


For some people, Time Machine will be more than adequate. Time Machine is part of OS X. There are three components:


  1. A Time Machine preferences panel as part of System Preferences;
  2. A Time Machine application located in the Applications folder. It is used to manage backups and to restore backups.
  3. Time Machine requires a backup drive that is at least double the capacity of the drive(s) it backs up.


Alternatively, get an external drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):


  1. Carbon Copy Cloner
  2. Get Backup
  3. Deja Vu
  4. SuperDuper!


Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQ on backup and restore. Also, read How to Back Up and Restore Your Files. For help with using Time Machine visit Pondini's Time Machine FAQ for help with all things Time Machine.


Although you can buy a complete external drive system, you can also put one together if you are so inclined. It's relatively easy and only requires a Phillips head screwdriver (typically.) You can purchase hard drives separately. This gives you an opportunity to shop for the best prices on a hard drive of your choice. Reliable brands include Seagate, Hitachi, Western Digital, Toshiba, and Fujitsu. You can find reviews and benchmarks on many drives at Storage Review.


Enclosures for FireWire and USB are readily available. You can find only FireWire enclosures, only USB enclosures, and enclosures that feature multiple ports. I would stress getting enclosures that use the Oxford chipsets especially for Firewire drives (911, 921, 922, for example.) You can find enclosures at places such as;


  1. Cool Drives
  2. OWC
  3. WiebeTech
  4. Firewire Direct
  5. California Drives
  6. NewEgg


All you need do is remove a case cover, mount the hard drive in the enclosure and connect the cables, then re-attach the case cover. Usually, the only tool required is a small or medium Phillips screwdriver.

Feb 7, 2018 6:38 AM in response to MIKEinMICH

It is a poor strategy. If the disk fails you lose all the backups for every computer. The proper way is one backup drive per computer.

Having a backup is good. It is MUCH better than no backup, which will put you miles ahead of many other users.


And if the backup is really just a backup, and not an archive where you expect to find data you do not have stored anywhere else, then if you loose the backup device, you just replace it, and make a new backup from each Mac. During the period of time when the backup has failed, you are unprotected.


And if you are going to use a networked backup approach, it is far easier to have a large storage device on a backup server (dedicated Mac, or a NAS, such as a Synology.com device).


Now if you want to evolve to more than one backup device, you can alway get a second drive in the future and then rotate backups to the devices. That would mean if you loose one backup device, you still have a copy of all your Macs on the other backup device. Add a 3rd backup device, and you have 3 layers of backup. At that point you would be so far ahead of users that do not backup, you would not even be able to see them in your rear view mirror 🙂


Using a RAID device, such as a direct attached Drobo would give you a little more reliability, as the RAID would survive if one of the RAID disks failed. Also something like a Drobo would allow you to increase the storage by either adding more disks, or by replacing older smaller disks with larger capacity disks.


You would get RAID protection with most NAS devices, such as a Synology.com network server.


Again, whatever you do, having a backup is way better than not. And the easier it is to make the backups on a regular basis, will mean you do it and do not have an out-of-date backup that does not contain recent work.

Feb 7, 2018 7:39 AM in response to BobHarris

Thanks! Very helpful.

Here what I think I'm going to do...and so far so good - I formatted the Seagate Slim 4TB

for Mac via Disk Utility on a Sierra OS laptop that I keep around for anything requiring newer OS

operation. I then created a partition of 500GB -- the size of my Main Office computer HD . I'm

now running a SuperDuper backup of That HD to That partition on the external HD - and will make

it Bootable after successful copy.

Since as i think you mentioned I CAN add partitions on the fly/as I go with Disk Utility in OS 10+ ... I aim to make a new partition for each additional computer (or external HD volume) I want to backup.


To me this is easy enough - and I can just each new partition for each subsequent unique backup of the different machines that I want to add to this backup drive.. Hopefully I'm not missing something in this approach? As you say, anything's better than nothing at all no?


Thanks again!

Feb 7, 2018 6:49 AM in response to BobHarris

Thanks Bob. At the risk of over-thinking this - but more just wanting to get it totally straight in my

mind before I start the project. I have a 4TB USB external HD. Let's suppose I want to use

Super Duper. I have several laptops and desktops of varying volume /HD capacities. I also have

a couple of those machines with an additional external HD of Data - and those I'd like to backup

as well!

So to start, I'm figuring the process to be:

1.make a list of the sizes of EACH of the various machine's respective HDs.

2.reformat the Seagate to Extended Journaled for Mac... Then create a like-sized Partition for Each HD

I want to backup to this Drive.


Now here's a side question. Presumably I have to use a laptop with SD on it, with this external HD

attached to carry around to each of the Macs I'm going to backup, yes? There has to be a host

machine to use it no? What IF...that host laptop has OS Sierra...and most of the machines I'm

backing up are on Mountain Lion or even Snow Leopard. In THAT case, wouldn't that allow me

to just create these partitions "as I go" on the fly...rather than up front/in-advance.


Another question...going to your Sparse Image example. On this same backup drive, in the case of any external drives I want to back up...would I need to create a blank partition with whatever leftover space there is - into

which I could create Sparse Image backups of those separate HDs?


I hope this isn't too confusing a set of questions: ) Really do appreciate you're not berating me as I try to

navigate and work out a way to go about this process : )


Thanks again!


Mike

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