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Holi is showing up in the "US Holidays" on my calendar. I know Apple wants to be accurate so please remove this or advise how I can remove this. I don't need Non-American holidays filling my calendar.
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Maybe but it's not a US holiday. US holidays are not determined by population. Respectfully, Hindu or any holiday other than a US holiday have no importance to me. I would say Most Americans don't want to have them cluttering our calendars.
davidfrommobile wrote:
Lawrence, thanks for the post. You are wrong though. The federal holidays are the US holidays. They were synonymous until Apple began changing the calendar. I and many others want a calendar that only have the federal holidays. You are wrong to state those holidays only matter for federal employees. Have you ever tried to go to a bank or post office on a federal holiday? They are closed. Schools are out on those days too. So, having these holidays on my calendar helps me plan my week. I don’t want the calendar simply to know when these holidays are, I want the calendar to know when businesses may be closed and federal services inaccessible.
Of course Holi is a real holiday. If you read my posts you would have seen that I hope. I never disputed it as being celebrated or a real holiday. I just want a calendar that has the official federal (United States) holidays only.
I like the renaming of the calendar you propose. I am not offended by Holi or anything else showing up. I think the best solution is for Apple to have a US Federal Holidays calendar. That would solve this for everyone.
That’s a very fine distinction you are making. The federal holiday list just applies to federal employees. While many businesses follow them, many don’t. I worked for a company once that had no company- wide holidays; instead, you could take off any 11 days you wanted to. You can’t go to a post office on a federal holiday because the staff are considered government employees. However, I HAVE gone to banks on “federal” holidays. My bank will accept electronic bill payments on them, and allow cash withdrawals on them. And some local banks even have teller services open. And how many stores close on them these days?
Schools? Around here schools are closed on many religious holidays celebrated by many different religions. Should those be on the calendar?
Apple‘s original calendar was very close to what you suggest. It had federal employee holidays, and a few extras like April Fools Day. But there was an uproar because it didn’t have Easter or Good Friday (neither are federal employee holidays). We’ve been down that path, and it didn’t work. I, for one, liked it. So given that what you, me, and Apple agreed was a good idea didn’t work, what is the next best option?
I understand the 1st amendment quite well... however you side stepped over the major portion of my post which is, most people wouldn’t even dream of asking other countries to honor U.S. holidays yet those same people would argue with people here in the US who want a standard calendar with only U.S. holidays. I’m sure if you asked an individual who celebrates holi if it was a U.S. holiday they would tell you no, therefore it doesn’t make sense to put it on the calendar.
Cindy1188 wrote:
I understand the 1st amendment quite well... however you side stepped over the major portion of my post which is, most people wouldn’t even dream of asking other countries to honor U.S. holidays yet those same people would argue with people here in the US who want a standard calendar with only U.S. holidays. I’m sure if you asked an individual who celebrates holi if it was a U.S. holiday they would tell you no, therefore it doesn’t make sense to put it on the calendar.
Which part of Holi is not a holiday that belongs to any one country more than another isn't getting through? It is celebrated in many countries around the world, just like Easter and Christmas. Which part of "there is not standard set of U.S. holidays" isn't clear?
And, Apple's calendar doesn't ask, suggest, demand or force anyone to celebrate anything. I don't celebrate Easter or Christmas. The fact that they appear on a calendar that I happen to use doesn't change that.
Lawrence, I like your thoughts. I think the best solution here is for us to stop relying on others to do the work for us. I unsubscribed from the US Holidays calendar and have simply inserted the ones I want on my calendar myself with a yearly repeat.
Hope everyone has good years ahead. Over and out!
Apple is making Holi a part of their worldwide marketing efforts to show the performance of the iPhone X camera.
David, Lawrence, You're absolutely right. We relied on Apple to continue with the traditional American calendar that we've become accustomed to but they're apparently moving to impose a more 'all inclusive' US Holiday calendar. They can call is a "US Holiday" calendar till the cows come home but it is not and simply won't be widely accepted as such. Was the missing Jewish holidays, missing Easter holiday and lack of a Christian calendar a software glitch or an oversight on Apple's part? Maybe it was intentional? Either way with over 2 Billion Christians in the world and Easter being their most important holiday, I think it was a huge mistake to release it. Perhaps if they hired more Christians in their workforce it wouldn't of happened. As for myself, I will create my own calendar the same as you did. I'm on the fence as to whether I will stay with Apple. They have a good product but I don't like that the altering of the traditional US Holiday calendar as we understand it was done by them. Feels like they're forcing globalization on America. Just my two cents and I won't be responding to counter arguments...
Well, there are 1.1 billion Hindus, so that is not a trivial number. And 7.4 billion Muslims, so by your standard the calendar should have Muslim events, but not Christian, because Muslims outnumber Christians by almost 3 to 1.
canine2 wrote:
Perhaps if they hired more Christians in their workforce it wouldn't of happened. Feels like they're forcing globalization on America.
If you want a "Christian" workforce and If you are against globalization why did you buy a computer made in China?
canine2 wrote:
Was the missing Jewish holidays, missing Easter holiday and lack of a Christian calendar a software glitch or an oversight on Apple's part? Maybe it was intentional?
Maybe. But Apple also has a specifically Christian calendar/US Holidays calendar available to subscribe to, without those pesky Jewish, Hindu and Muslim holidays: webcal://ical.mac.com/ical/US32Holidays.ics. Just paste this into the calendar app, or get it here: http://icalshare.com/calendars/2. Open the link in Safari on your computer, click on Subscribe, and it will be installed in your Calendar app as if by magic. This was available along with the original US Holidays calendar that had no religious holidays, but it apparently wasn't good enough for those Americans who will not tolerate anyone getting privileges as good as theirs.
Csound1 wrote:
Pointless Lawrence, canine2 is not responding any longer.
I'm not looking for a response. I bet they don't know how to unsubscribe, so they will see my posts anyway. And it might educate other followers of the thread.
BobTheFisherman wrote:
canine2 wrote:
Perhaps if they hired more Christians in their workforce it wouldn't of happened. Feels like they're forcing globalization on America.
If you want a "Christian" workforce and If you are against globalization why did you buy a computer made in China?
Having worked in the tech industry in the United States, I would say that the majority of people working in the United States are Christian, but hardly wear their religion on their sleeves. I know several people who work for Apple, and they're of various ethnicities, religions (or non-religion), etc. One friend working at Apple is very much Hindu, and I don't see how it's any kind of problem what is or isn't the religion of an employee. It's a company looking to make a product using competent labor.
This is just kind of a strange argument - that Apple isn't "Christian enough". Or that it's somehow un-American to be Hindu.
“Apple‘s original calendar was very close to what you suggest. It had federal employee holidays, and a few extras like April Fools Day. But there was an uproar because it didn’t have Easter or Good Friday (neither are federal employee holidays).”
This is a factually incorrect and deliberately disingenuous statement. The original calendar ALWAYS had Easter and Good Friday since the time of its inception. In 2018, it was specifically manually removed. This would’ve never even become a topic of discussion if the US Holidays calendar had simply excluded it from the beginning and only featured federal holidays (Easter is always on a Sunday, hence why it isn’t a federal holiday). But that wasn’t the case. It was always present in the US Holidays calendar prior to being recently removed, making its sudden absence very obvious and jarring to people who had become accustomed over the years to using their iPhones to find out the date for Easter, as it changes year to year. And the fact that it still included things like Cinco De Mayo - which literally is another country’s holiday - while still being titled “US Holidays” was understandably and rightfully spoken out against.
Yes, Apple realized that US Holidays did not include Easter, so they removed it in 2018. Bravo for being so farsighted. I always resented that it included Easter and not any other religious holidays. It was a really good move, because anyone who wanted Easter could just install a Christian calendar. Or a Muslim calendar. Or a Jewish calendar. Or a Pastafarian calendar, for that matter (all of them are easily available for free). Or any other flavor calendar. Why should I have to suffer with a holiday on my calendar that I don't observe?
I still don't know of a good reason why I should have to suffer holidays for mythical events on my calendar.
When I lived in London I had to suffer through the 'god slot' an hour of Christian Broadcasting on all channels at the same time on Sunday, fortunately the British Government heard the protests of the voters and did away with it.
April Fools Day also isn’t a US Holiday— did you resent its inclusion as well? What about Cinco de Mayo, particularly as it was factually inaccurate from the beginning to include it in a US Holidays calendar when it’s literally another country’s Independence Day, even though nobody ever made a fuss and pointed that out because they didn’t care about this until Apple decided to manually remove the #4 most celebrated holiday in the US? It only makes sense that a calendar entitled “US Holidays” that isn’t restricted to actual federal holidays would include the most celebrated holidays in the US. That’s just common sense.
Also, the calendar options that Apple gives us in Settings are Hebrew, Islamic and Chinese. Why should Christians need to download some separate 3rd party calendar, particularly when it would be the one most commonly used in the US?
Holi is showing up in the "US Holidays"
