No quality male-to-female vocal transform presets in Logic Pro X?

I recently purchased MorphVOX software, and downloaded the Audacity program hoping to accomplish what I want, and after a week of fiddling I'll be only lucky if I am able to create three quality female vocals from my voice to utilize into my animation project a month from now.


The people who created and maintain Logic Pro X have been around almost twenty years and I'm to believe with all the bells and whistles they have brought into this nice piece of software, and, mind you these guys are college educated – everyone of these guys involved with the Logic Pro X software is Western educated, at the top of their class smart in all aspects of the field and discipline of sound, and yet no one thought to yet, or perhaps are able to figure out a simple way to preset the Logic Pro X software to have one SIMPLY bring a male or female's voice to transform five, ten, or fifteen of the other gender from their own voice? Lots and lots of bells and whistles but this one practical application has never EVEN BEEN THOUGHT NECESSARY by these …? smart dudes? I hold my tongue from further snarky words … .


Twenty years of comforting paychecks to these audio engineers involved with Logic Pro X (and I want you to know I'm glad to have made the purchase; Logic Pro X is a quality piece of software) and no one at Apple accepts the challenge to engage their smarts to this one …? endeavor?! You guys must've seen the want for such a plug-in or whatever over the last decades, and yet you guys ignored or dare I say simply punked out to the thought? I've had a few beers these evening and the feeling is there to ridicule you guys at Logic Pro X, but I'll hold my tongue until the next update. And what an update announcement this next update will be, … right fella's? Otherwise I'll edit this comment here to rip into you like my girlfriends panties.


Perhaps you guys require a collar, too? and be told what to do for the next couple days or months? #justDoIt #pissedOffInAWay


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Posted on Mar 31, 2018 6:55 PM

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Posted on Apr 1, 2018 5:36 PM

Hi k24anson,


Google has a project that they've dumped a ton of money into to produce computer voices and it's better than it was but certainly far from human. Just changing pitch, which Logic can do, is also not the same as a truly different gender voice or even the same gender voice for that matter (others have said this too). If you look at the spectrum of the human voice it is very very complex.


It all depends on what you want. If you want a computer (fake) sounding voice then there are tools that'll do that. Check out the google tool. If you want to do it your self and change pitch so it sort of sounds like you with a different pitch as opposed to a real female, then use logic to change the pitch. If you want natural human character voices for animation, then hire a real voice talent. That's what we get money for. A good voice talent learns and practices their trade in order to deliver the voice that the client needs. Every talent has unique qualities to their voice which is why there are some many folks out there doing this and getting paid for it. It's all about choice for the client. Within the VO community, there are folks that specialize in gaming and animation and those that do commercials, promos/imaging, audio books, and other forms of narration such as e-learning. That just gives you an example. There are plenty of very talented females out there that do animation work and you will certainly get what you pay for and probably then some. They will learn the character, and provide a true voice for that character just like any actor does in film, TV, and stage.


Again, it's all about choice and what you want/need and what your budget is. The old saying "you get what you pay for" certainly comes to mind.


Good luck on your project!

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Apr 1, 2018 5:36 PM in response to k24anson

Hi k24anson,


Google has a project that they've dumped a ton of money into to produce computer voices and it's better than it was but certainly far from human. Just changing pitch, which Logic can do, is also not the same as a truly different gender voice or even the same gender voice for that matter (others have said this too). If you look at the spectrum of the human voice it is very very complex.


It all depends on what you want. If you want a computer (fake) sounding voice then there are tools that'll do that. Check out the google tool. If you want to do it your self and change pitch so it sort of sounds like you with a different pitch as opposed to a real female, then use logic to change the pitch. If you want natural human character voices for animation, then hire a real voice talent. That's what we get money for. A good voice talent learns and practices their trade in order to deliver the voice that the client needs. Every talent has unique qualities to their voice which is why there are some many folks out there doing this and getting paid for it. It's all about choice for the client. Within the VO community, there are folks that specialize in gaming and animation and those that do commercials, promos/imaging, audio books, and other forms of narration such as e-learning. That just gives you an example. There are plenty of very talented females out there that do animation work and you will certainly get what you pay for and probably then some. They will learn the character, and provide a true voice for that character just like any actor does in film, TV, and stage.


Again, it's all about choice and what you want/need and what your budget is. The old saying "you get what you pay for" certainly comes to mind.


Good luck on your project!

Apr 1, 2018 5:18 AM in response to k24anson

Look around, you won't find any plugin anywhere that can make any male voice into a female, or vise versa. That's a very difficult thing to do. You can get a more female-like voice from a male, but it won't be a true female sounding voice, it'll have that fake quality to it. The human voice is very complex and actually very difficult to deal with. If you need a realistic female voice, find a female to perform it for you.

Mar 31, 2018 7:15 PM in response to k24anson

First, this is a user to user forum, so Apple don't come here. You're basically being snarky to the people who come here to help other people or solve an issue they themselves are having. Maybe one of the hundreds of users who come here could help you. Perhaps they'd be more inclined to if you'd not just insulted them all by not understanding (or perhaps bothering to find out) what this forum is and who comes here. Users come here. Not Apple.


Second, personally, and I've been recording for around 33 years, I've never needed a tool like the one you're describing. Of course, you may, I'm not disputing that at all, but when I need a female voice I get a female person. But that's just me.


In Logic there is a feedback link. Use that to get your message to Apple and the people who could possibly code the thing you're asking for.

Apr 1, 2018 7:50 AM in response to BenB

I did look around and became disappointed.


Too many characters to utilize live voices. I'll simply change the title of the series, the inference from the title of the series upon the audience is the objective of the main characters: the creation of a computer system mimicking biological cognition. Having all the characters speaking with a noticeable robotic inflection may create the sense in many of the heads in the audience that humanity is closer to this goal than most would think.


If anyone asks in the future why all my characters had robotic inflections, I'll reference the title: Someday, Murgatroyd Will Live …!


Hmmm …?

Apr 1, 2018 5:22 PM in response to Kurt Hanson

Kurt Hanson wrote:


I did look around and became disappointed.


Too many characters to utilize live voices. I'll simply change the title of the series, the inference from the title of the series upon the audience is the objective of the main characters: the creation of a computer system mimicking biological cognition. Having all the characters speaking with a noticeable robotic inflection may create the sense in many of the heads in the audience that humanity is closer to this goal than most would think.


If anyone asks in the future why all my characters had robotic inflections, I'll reference the title: Someday, Murgatroyd Will Live …!


Hmmm …?


Well I be hum-dingered, y'all must be a college edukated!!

Apr 1, 2018 7:26 PM in response to k24anson

When I mention voice talent I’m thinking far less big names. Yes they do big budget Hollywood films because they have the name to draw in the crowds. Many top actors get paid lots for animation because they are top actors. For every big name Hollywood type there may be hundreds more you’ve never heard of that are also very good and don’t get paid nearly as much. It’s folks that’ll do several jobs a day to make a nice living but not get rich as opposed to doing a few jobs a year and become rich.

You may want to check out this site for a bit of info from the talent side though far from the only source of info on the subject.


http://www.globalvoiceacademy.com/

Here is just one site of many that is more about connecting talent with clients. This may be even more helpful for you.

http://voiceover.biz/

Of course only you know your budget which is why I mentioned before you do have choices and as is so often the case there may be no perfect choice but rather you just make the best choice you can given the resources available.

Apr 2, 2018 3:57 AM in response to gnubee

Ugh, I typed a big detailed reply gnubee and it didn't submit and now it's gone!


Short version was thanks for sharing that. I checked it out in more detail on Adobe's site. It appears to only be for editing an existing voice track so they need enough to have all the necessary phonemes and then create new words from that voice which would make it in the same voice and feeling. Nothing about new voice or feeling. That my well come someday.


Just doing what Voco may someday bring, is interesting though since doing "pick ups" is not super easy because you need to match your own environment and most importantly feeling when making an edit long after the fact. In some cases the talent may not be available or for big budget Hollywood types may be cost prohibitive. It's experimental so not sure when it'll become available. BTW, I noticed the cut points but not sure if it would be there if they played it all the way through or if it was just where they were restarting the audio for time. I suspect it won't be there in full playback if done carefully. It may also not work as well if someone is running there words together somewhat.


I suspect we're a ways off from being able to create natural voice with different emotion and in a unique way. Everyone's voice is different which is a good thing, and doing that by computer is far from easy. Even the google work is with a fixed set of voices. At whatever point that may happen, there won't be a need for actors any more since the video will almost certainly come with the audio. That of course has implications on many other aspects of daily life too, not just acting. Like most technology, it can be used for good or for bad and while most people will only do good with it, there will always be that small group that will use it for bad.


It should be fun to watch as things change!

Apr 1, 2018 6:07 PM in response to Pancenter

I can already imagine a three-dimensional software type of apparatus that will touch nine parameters of sound to manipulate any given sound in any which way; not like the semi-clunky way software is handled by Apple X code coding. Add to this a fourth-dimension of time to, I imagine, involve the sense of time to any evolving sound I manipulate with this said three-dimensional apparatus and …, is it worth the time and effort to bring to the world the first piece of software that truly manipulates sound, whether voice or any other type of sound. Logic Pro X is like a Model T engine: I imagine the intake and exhaust valves haven't even been thought to enclose and shroud in metal by a mechanical engineer employed by Ford …, yet.


No, there is something wrong with Western systems of education. All those university degrees in the year 2018 and it isn't obvious to anyone, or inclines anyone with a stupid PhD with the want to wonk and wank any sound any which way one may want to in a piece of software and then sell said software for profit.


If you learn enough to balance your check book and read the stupid crap in a newspaper today I suppose the idiots administering Western educational systems consider themselves as accomplished individuals and nothing more need be said or done.


A change of guard is in order.

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