UPnP

I use a Slingbox to stream video over the internet to my MacBook. It utilizes UPnP to set up the router--I cannot tell if I can use the new Airport Extreme with my Slingbox. The old Airport Extreme did not work, so I had to purchase a Router separate from the Airport, which is a bit kludgy, and I was hoping I could have a cleaner setup. Any ideas?

iMac 2.16 GHz Intel, 20". MacBook Pro., Mac OS X (10.4.8), Actually have 3 iMacs!

Posted on Feb 2, 2007 12:01 PM

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Feb 2, 2007 5:01 PM in response to MikeB

Well, Apple isn't supporting UPnP, because good ol' Stewart (of ZeroConf/Bonjour and Bolo fame) wrote up a nice and simple alternative for configuring a NAT router called NAT-PMP. Apple uses NAT-PMP in its router, which is gaining support in Mac apps just as quickly as UPnP.

My suggestion is to setup a 'reserved lease' (it will be under the DHCP settings tab) to give your Slingbox a fixed IP address, based on its MAC address. Then you can easily port-forward to this fixed IP without worrying about reconfiguring the Slingbox. 🙂

Feb 2, 2007 5:04 PM in response to Kolenka

You do realize that this is now much more difficult than just clicking on a box of my Slingbox setup program, and it configures the router. I'm spoiled by Mac being easy-to-use. You're describing a process that I actually don't want to learn or use. But thanks for the heads up, because now I won't buy the new product. There are much easier routers to configure.

Feb 2, 2007 5:07 PM in response to MikeB

Thanks for the help. But every once in 2000 times, Microsoft does it better. I merely have to click on a box in the Slingbox configuration program, and it sets up the router. I don't have to know anything. I can drink a cup of coffee, surf the web, and worry about important issues in life like Global Warming. Reading documentation is NOT the Mac way. So, in the end, you're telling me that using the new Airport Extreme is more difficult than a less-expensive Linksys or Belkin router? Interesting.

Feb 2, 2007 5:09 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Well, that is one of the problems of Apple going against the grain of the multi-million dollar mega-spec known as UPnP for something simpler that still does the job. Sometimes, even though it is a technical win for Apple (and people trying to write UPnP/NAT-PMP aware software), it is a loss for those trying to use actual devices, like yourself.

Feb 2, 2007 5:13 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Just to clarify, Apple's router supports something that is /equivilent/ to what UPnP on routers provide, however, it is still up to the devices to support this alternative.

The Linksys is easier than the AE because Linksys + Slingbox both use UPnP. Support for NAT-PMP has been growing pretty reasonably on Linux/Mac apps, but not so much on Windows-centric devices.

Feb 2, 2007 5:16 PM in response to Kolenka

At this point in time, I'm thrilled that Slingbox developed a Mac client. And by the way, that client works beautifully. I'm not a computer-phobe, so I'm not averse to trying things, but since Airport Extreme is a good 2X more expensive than the other brands, I don't want to be pulling what little hair I have out. I have a feeling that the number of steps required to make this work is way beyond a simple clicking of one box.

Feb 2, 2007 5:21 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

For the Airport Extreme, yes, it will either require: A) an update from Slingmedia, or B) Manual configuration of the router.

I will just comment on my experience with N hardware though... if you want an N router that works with the Mac, you won't find one out there besides Apple's. There are numerous performance issues still to be worked out among the draft-N devices (I have tried all the current brands, and HAVE pulled out hair over it).

Then again, I am not sure why someone would consider the new Airport Extreme if they weren't considering N.

Feb 2, 2007 5:25 PM in response to Kolenka

Then again, I am not sure why someone would consider
the new Airport Extreme if they weren't considering N.


Do tell? It looks so cool. I have the older Airport Extreme, and of course, it's kind of UFO looking. It only has one ethernet port and the signal is kind of weak. So I got Airport Express to expand the network. I thought I'd get the beautiful new one, but you're really talking me out of it.

Won't my new iMacs talk "N" to the router?

Feb 2, 2007 5:29 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

The new Airport Extreme will talk N to Core 2 Duo and Xeon Macs, yes (once enabled). /However/, third party draft-N routers don't work. Trust me, I tried with my MacBook for the past week to find a brand that worked (mostly because I really, really, wanted gigabit ports), and have yet to find one. Linksys, Netgear, D-Link, all fail to work with the OS X 802.11n enabler.

The D-Link router messed with my internet speeds, AND crippled copying files from my laptop to my desktop.

The Netgear simply crippled copying files to my desktop from my laptop, just not as bad as the D-Link (about 5Mbps, not even b-speeds).

The Linksys has the opposite problem, slow transfers from the desktop to my laptop over wireless, similar to the Netgear.

Feb 2, 2007 7:40 PM in response to OrangeMarlin

Yes, UPNP is a nice and easy but consider, if you have any boxes other than macs on your network it's best to turn this function off. Essentially UPNP allows applications running on any UPNP able box make config changes to the router. In most cases without your knowlege. UPNP and unsecured machines on your network like an XP box can get hosed with malware and covertly make changes to your router possibly opening your network to the world exposing file shares and other critical services running inside your network.
Yes, manual config can be a bit technical but it is worth it. There is, as mentioned before alot of documentation on the net regarding sling box configs.
One of the first steps I take when I install a router in a small business or home is to disable UPnP. It's actually step number 2 in my mental check list.

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