Mac Pro 5,1 Metal Graphics Card for Mojave?

As we are heading closer and closer to Mojave's release, later this year, and I currently have an AMD/ATI Radeon 5770 in my 5,1 Mac Pro, I'm unsure where to go from here!


What card are we expected to have installed?


I'm not a gamer, only interested in my current programs, Office, MacDraft, PhotoShop, and so on, Photography, Genealogy have me more than busy...


I'm seeing no information out and about, concerning Metal, other than it's AI, 3D, Gaming things, but I don't want to fall behind in all the rest of the Mojave features...


Where are the resources we need??


We have other later iMac, MacBook Air, iPhone 8, 8+, figure they all will be OK with the updates, but I don't know where I stand with my Mac Pro!


Help!!

Posted on Jun 29, 2018 1:13 AM

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Posted on Jun 30, 2018 10:48 AM

Through a friend in our Facebook Group for NCMUG, we found this article form the UK. Specifically talks of the ATI Radeon 5770 I have currently, and offers some solutions, at least a beginning, we'll see what is available here in the US as we get closer... A good starting point...


Here's the link:


https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/…/how-do-you-find-mojave-c…


And the options they offer in the UK:


Create Pro are offering the following options in your Create Your Own Cheese-grater Mac Pro page…
AMD RX 560 4GB (1204 Stream Processors) (OS X 10.13.4+) £245 plus taxes
AMD RX 570 4GB (2048 Stream Processors) (OS X 10.13.4+) £395 plus taxes
AMD RX 580 8GB (2304 Stream Processors) (OS X 10.13.4+) £445 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1050Ti 4GB (768 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £245 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1070 8GB (1920 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £545 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1070TI 8GB (2423 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £645 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1080 8GB (2560 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £745 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1080Ti 11GB (3584 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £995 plus taxes

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Jun 30, 2018 10:48 AM in response to George Christensen

Through a friend in our Facebook Group for NCMUG, we found this article form the UK. Specifically talks of the ATI Radeon 5770 I have currently, and offers some solutions, at least a beginning, we'll see what is available here in the US as we get closer... A good starting point...


Here's the link:


https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/…/how-do-you-find-mojave-c…


And the options they offer in the UK:


Create Pro are offering the following options in your Create Your Own Cheese-grater Mac Pro page…
AMD RX 560 4GB (1204 Stream Processors) (OS X 10.13.4+) £245 plus taxes
AMD RX 570 4GB (2048 Stream Processors) (OS X 10.13.4+) £395 plus taxes
AMD RX 580 8GB (2304 Stream Processors) (OS X 10.13.4+) £445 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1050Ti 4GB (768 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £245 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1070 8GB (1920 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £545 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1070TI 8GB (2423 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £645 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1080 8GB (2560 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £745 plus taxes
Nvidia GTX 1080Ti 11GB (3584 CUDA Cores) (OS X 10.12.4+) £995 plus taxes

Sep 1, 2018 1:18 AM in response to George Christensen

Apple recommends certain AMD Polaris graphics cards for the Mac Pro 5,1 to run Mojave including the "MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 and Sapphire Radeon PULSE RX 580" as stated on the public beta FAQ page. However, they have also been directing people to the eGPU support page, which includes AMD Vega graphics cards as well. Both Apple and AMD have some RX Vega 56 cards installed in their 5,1 testing machines according to an engineer I spoke with so they are supporting those cards as well, but to properly run them they require additional power beyond the boost connections on the logic board (such as pixlas mod or separate power supply).


Beyond that we have very limited information from Apple regarding this as it is still in beta stage. It is unknown if they are going to enable boot screens on these new cards via a firmware update. If they don't then FileVault, Boot Camp, and Apple Hardware Test will no longer be supported on these machines.


https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/faq


Use an external graphics processor with your Mac - Apple Support

Oct 30, 2018 8:16 AM in response to George Christensen

If your Mac Pro 42 lb silver tower meets the requirements in every other way, and has been updated to 10.13.6, you can "try out" Mojave with just a standard graphics card by using an unsupported hobbyist hack. I tried it out with a regular Mac-firmware 5770 card on my Mac Pro 2009 updated to 5,1 firmware. I did NOT apply any additional offered features except to bypass the Apple lock against installation without the "proper" graphics card. This version does NOT require you to disable System Integrity Protection for this case.


I found that there were a few very small artifacts using "light" mode, none using "dark" mode.


When I used OpenGL ExtensionsViewer, it reported I had only "Apple Software Renderer" in place, and NO Metal-capable graphics card (rather as expected with only a 5770). My take-away was that this was probably not suitable for Video editing (but it played web Videos just fine). Over a few days I found it perfectly acceptable for web Browsing, and not noticeably slow or unstable in any way.


The other thing I learned was that this install was very straightforward if you followed dosdude's instructions, and might be good way to install if you had an unusual non-Mac-firmware graphics card you wanted to use. Using this method, you could get the Mojave software settled into place, then wrestle with the graphics card issues.

Jun 30, 2018 1:10 PM in response to George Christensen

Use extreme caution is acquiring any cards that appear to be Metal-2 compatible.


Users found that, when installing High Sierra, the card had to self-identify as OpenCL capable BEFORE its driver was loaded. That effectively limited users to genuine Mac-firmware cards. (this was determined by reading the Installer Log of a failed Install. The card had to say "I am OpenCL capable", but PC-only cards did not say that.)


If the same approach is used for Mojave, many PC-only cards, although Metal-2 capable once their drivers are loaded, will not work.

Jun 29, 2018 9:42 AM in response to dialabrain

Ahh, yes, thank you, I know it's in Beta, and now even Public Beta. All the more reason to begin looking ahead, get prepared for that future OS and its apparent Metal graphics needs... I look forward to jumping in, sorting things out, our other Macs are OK, only this Mac Pro 5,1 is in question... But I bet there are many, many others in the same situation...

Aug 9, 2018 7:35 AM in response to don612

Officially there are no new video cards for the Mac Pro 2010 that you can buy.


If your willing to get a now quite old secondhand card the best two options are an EVGA Mac edition GTX-680 or a Radeon HD 7950 Mac edition. Beware in both cases of PC edition cards of the same model.


Unofficially some Nvidia and AMD cards can be flashed with Mac firmware. This adds a lot to the cost of these cards.


I personally have an AMD Radeon HD 7950 Mac Edition (genuine) and it will run Mojave. Although possibly due to an Apple bug or Apple hostility the App store did not recognise this as being suitable even though it is a genuine Metal compatible card as reported in High Sierra System Information.


I had to download the Mojave installer on a MacBook Pro and copy it to the Mac Pro to get round this.


Apple claim Mojave support for Macs "along with 2010 and 2012 Mac Pro models with recommended Metal-capable graphics cards." Nowhere have I seen Apple list their 'recommended' Metal-capable cards. As mentioned even a universally agreed best choice of a Radeon HD 7950 Mac Edition card was being blocked by Apple in the App store if not in the installer itself. I think this 'effort' by Apple is summed up nicely as below.


User uploaded file

It should be noted even once you have installed Mojave Apple are still artificially disabling both HDMI Audio Support and 30-bit aka Deep Color support on the Mac Pro. Both features work in Windows 10 via Boot Camp!

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