Trying to replace my SCSI HD or Replace with an ATA in my B&W G3

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Trying to replace my SCSI HD or Replace with an ATA in my B&W G3

Hi all,

I've been trying to add new HD's to my B&W 400mhz G3. When I was given the Computer it had 2 68pin 9GB SCSI HD's (which are still in it) I Bought an Maxtor 7200 RPM Ultra ATA/133 200GB & 100GB HD's. I've installed the 100GB but it wouldn't boot up. I tried using the Mac OS 9 disk to format it as well. And nothing. I did a lil more research and found that I might need an Ultra ATA PCI Card. I bought a Sonnet 133 ATA PCI Card. I installed the Firmware and card. And still no go. What am I doing wrong? I'm ready to buy a 50GB SCSI HD. I want to use my Mac for my iPod, surf the internet, Recording Music and to do Graphics. I also would like to use both Drives, one for OS 10 and the other Mac OS 9.

Cheers!
Steve

Cheers!

Power Mac G3 Mac OS 9.2.x Also running OS X 10.4.6

Posted on Feb 6, 2007 9:01 PM

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Answer 1

Feb 6, 2007 9:14 PM in response to mancalledsunn

Dd you format the drive with OS 9 Utilities AFTER you put it on the Sonnet card? It probably needs a different driver to be attached to the Sonnet card.

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Answer 2

Feb 7, 2007 10:11 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Yes, did I use the OS 9 Utlities after I installed the drive. I've also installed the Sonnet Tempo 4.0 Firmware & tried the 4.5 as well.

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Answer 3

Feb 7, 2007 2:25 PM in response to mancalledsunn

How is the drive connected to the Sonnet card?
Is it on the outermost connector of the cable, and is the drive jumpered to "master"?

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Answer 4

Feb 8, 2007 10:36 AM in response to Dave Hamilton

Hi,

The drive is connected to card with the cable supplied with the (Maxtor) HD and connected in IDE 1 slot. And I still have one 9GB SCSI running as the master. I tried disconnecting the SCSI completely and pulling out the SCSI card and only running the ATA as master with Sonnet Card (Still mounted in the 3rd spot in Hard drive tray). My board is also a Rev 1. I know these have problems reading large drives. My Sonnet ATA 133 card reads as SCSI and not ATA on Apple System Profiler. I am also running Mac OS 9.2.2
Maybe my Sonnet card is not compatible? The sticker on my Sonnet card reads (Tempo ATA 133 V4.5)

Cheers!
Steve

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Answer 5

Feb 8, 2007 10:40 AM in response to mancalledsunn

A couple more things. I installed the Sonnet Firmware 4.5 after installing the Sonnet card. What type of HD would run with the ATA slot that is on my board?

Cheers!
Steve

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Answer 6

Feb 8, 2007 4:01 PM in response to mancalledsunn

"My Sonnet ATA 133 card reads as SCSI and not ATA on Apple System Profiler"

That's OK, some cards are designed to do that for technical reasons.

"The drive is connected to card with the cable supplied with the (Maxtor) HD and connected in IDE 1 slot. And I still have one 9GB SCSI running as the master. I tried disconnecting the SCSI completely and pulling out the SCSI card and only running the ATA as master with Sonnet Card"

How are the IDE ports on the Sonnet card numbered? 0 and 1, or 1 and 2?
If they are 0 and 1, try moving the cable to the IDE 0 port.
Is the drive in the outermost connector on the cable, and is it jumpered to master? It needs to be for it to work right.
The master drive setting for the drive on your Sonnet card should be fine, with or without the SCSI card installed.

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Answer 7

Feb 8, 2007 4:23 PM in response to Dave Hamilton

Dave,

The IDE Ports on the Sonnet Card are number 1 and 2.

The drive is connected to the outer most connector on the cable.

How would I jumper the ATA?

Thank you for your help,
Cheers!
Steve

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Answer 8

Feb 8, 2007 4:32 PM in response to mancalledsunn

The drive should have a sticker on it with jumper settings.

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Answer 9

Feb 8, 2007 4:43 PM in response to Dave Hamilton

What directions for jumper?

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Answer 10

Feb 8, 2007 4:52 PM in response to Dave Hamilton

Would I need to buy new jumpers or can I reused old ones? Please forgive me for I am new at this.

Cheers!

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Answer 11

Feb 8, 2007 4:56 PM in response to Dave Hamilton

and the jumpers on the new ATA drive have to be the same as the jumpers on the old SCSI Drive?

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Answer 12

Feb 8, 2007 4:57 PM in response to mancalledsunn

Most of the drive are set by default as Cable Select (CS)
Master (MA) is where you need to connect one end of the ribbon cable. The other end to the ATA card. The one in the middle is the SLave (SL) ATA JUMPER Settings

One drive at the time. make sure the ribbon cable is placed correctly, it should have "key" or "tab" which should prevent you to insert into the connector wrongly. Also one of female connector should one hole plugged.

Connect the cable to the ATA card and the HD, and the HD power connector. With the mac off, press the CUDA button. The CUDA is close to the battery. The are two buttons the CUDA is the closest one. The other one wil turn one the Mac.

Power the mac on and see if yo can install the OS.

Hope this help

MAuro

G5 - G3bw - iMac - Wintel @work 😟 Mac OS X (10.4.6) G3bw (Sonnet G4-1Ghz) DVR-110D ATAcard - iMac 512 -Ext. IDE

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Answer 13

Feb 12, 2007 1:37 PM in response to Mauro Straulino

Still no luck. But I just bought a 50GB SCSI. We'll see if that works.

Cheers!
Steve

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Answer 14

Feb 12, 2007 6:27 PM in response to mancalledsunn

If you have the shiny pale yellow or twist-and-flat 68-pin SCSI cable that has a discrete terminator at the end of the cable, your only issue should be to set a unique ID for each drive. Factory Boot drives usually use ID=0, and the Motherboard uses ID=7. You can have as many drives on the cable as you have connectors for them.

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Answer 15

Feb 12, 2007 10:23 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I have the pale yellow cable. Could my Sonnet Card not be compatible with my Maxtor Hard Drive? I think what Im going to do is run 2 internal 50GB Seagate SCSI HD's. One for Mac OS 9 Classic and the other for OS X 10.4 and then get an external firewire HD case with a fan for my 200GB. I'll let you all know if this solves my problem. Thank you for all the help. Cheers!

Steve

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