Airport Utility problems: Is my network at fault??

I recently bought a second Airport Extreme on eBay to extend my existing wifi network. When I tried setting it up using the Airport Utility application on my Macintosh I had problems. The base station did show up under “Other Wi-Fi Devices” but when I tried to add the new base station I kept getting an error message that stated “An unexpected error occurred. Try again.”


However, I was able to extend my network using my iPad and the Wi-Fi section under “Settings”. The app recognized the new base station and extended the network without problem


Things seem to be working okay and the second base station shows up now on Airport Utility, but does anybody have an idea why the application on the Mac was unsuccessful in adding the base station and if this means I have some other problems with my network?

iMac, macOS High Sierra (10.13.3)

Posted on Jul 30, 2018 9:32 AM

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Jul 30, 2018 6:02 PM in response to rlplant

but does anybody have an idea why the application on the Mac was unsuccessful in adding the base station and if this means I have some other problems with my network?

Just to answer the specific part of the question. WHY

One of the main issues for the failure.. IPv6 setting in the Mac is auto and this often fails to work correctly. Bonjour is now essential to finding the Airports on the network.. and IPv6 setting in the Mac to "Link-local only" often fixes loads of problems.. but it can definitely still fail.

It can also be related to the way DNS and domain are now handled. Either or both can be problematic.


It is not uncommon for the network to require a simple restart. The Mac gets itself locked to certain settings.. when you setup a new device it will not be picked up until the network and mac get shut off and back on. It is quite possible the settings worked.. it is just with the changes that Airport Utility ran in the network it is now going to require a refresh on the Mac.. so nothing is wrong.. it is just slow to respond.

Jul 30, 2018 1:31 PM in response to rlplant

The Mac version of AirPort Utility is known for having issues like this. Bottom line is that unlikely as it might seem.....the iOS version of AirPort Utility is more reliable than the Mac version.


There are some things that you can try.....if you want to pursue this further......but since things are set up and working, you can continue to use the iPad to administer the AirPort if needed.


Now that you have the AirPort set up, AirPort Utility on your Mac might display the new AirPort.....or it might not.


Let us know if you want to pursue this further.

Jul 30, 2018 6:47 PM in response to rlplant

rlplant wrote:


I also noticed that my Epson WF-3640 printer/scanner can no longer connect to my wifi network. Could this be related to the same problem?

The coincidence would be too great for it to be unrelated.. at the same time it can be awful difficult to figure out exactly what is going on.


I suggest you post your airport utility screenshot showing us the setup with the airport showing its summary page.. this helps us track down issues..


eg.


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And the overall map..


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To get non-apple clients to join.. stick to short names.. no spaces.. pure alphanumerics..


Passwords same rules but can be longer.


You can see in my overall map of the network.. One glaring failure ... that is unit I highlighted is broken TC I am (trying and failing to) repairing and it gets reset every day when online.. so ignore it..

Jul 30, 2018 7:32 PM in response to LaPastenague

I've attached two screenshots. There is a dotted line going to the AirPort that I'm using as an extender. Does that just signify that it is a wireless connection, or does it mean that there is a problem? I'm concerned that it says "connection Unknown".


I was just able to connect my printer to the network. This time its setup wizard displayed our network, displayed twice, and choosing the second one enabled it to connect. I took the screen shot after the connection, and it looks like the printer connected to the second Airport, which is much farther away than the first (??).


I heard someone say that I should toggle wifi on and off on my devices now and then to make sure that I am connected to the nearest AirPort and not locked onto one that may now be further away. Is that correct?


And I do feel the new AirPort is extending the signal since my speed has increased in some of the distant locations in our house.


Thanks for all your help.


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Jul 30, 2018 8:24 PM in response to rlplant

Thanks for the very clear shots.. helps no end.


Does that just signify that it is a wireless connection

Yes.. solid for ethernet.. dotted (sort of ethereal for wireless)


I'm concerned that it says "connection Unknown".

That is just the latest update bug.. instead of the previous problematic version.. it now always has connection unknown.. except that this is patently untrue .. simply roll your mouse pointer over the "unknown" to get the actual link info. This is actually useful. A little popup will appear telling you the actual data rate, signal and band.


My example is done very close.. and is running at full speed and signal.


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I took the screen shot after the connection, and it looks like the printer connected to the second Airport, which is much farther away than the first (??).


Distance without taking into account walls and other hinderances in the signal path can be confusing.


Unfortunately you cannot force the connection to the best device.. as the client will work out for itself best.. which may or may not be appropriate..


BTW you can do the same thing for the client as you can for the router to router connection.. roll your mouse pointer over the connection and a whole lot of actual numbers will pop up. This will help you keep track of what is happening.


To force the connection back to the main AE.. you can power off the extender for a few minutes.. maybe need to also power cycle the printer.. it will swap to the closer AE.. and you can then inspect the numbers.. I would expect the signal strength from the extender is better than the main one.. as the client will always join to the best signal.


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I heard someone say that I should toggle wifi on and off on my devices now and then to make sure that I am connected to the nearest AirPort and not locked onto one that may now be further away. Is that correct?

For most items this is true but unnecessary unless you are really having signal issues. Or speeds are very poor.


Perversely the items you would hope to roam well, iPhone, iPad etc.. tend to behave poorly.. and items that you carry around less.. Macs and printers etc.. work better.. in fact the Mac laptops work really well.


Wireless is still at the voodoo stage of development.. what is unscientific is best handled with beads and rattles. 😝 Perhaps with a bit of old wives' tales and snake oil thrown in for good measure.😉

Engineering wise it probably gives 50% improvement.. i.e. it is luck whether the ball lands on red or black. Over long periods the statistics prove it is random.

And I do feel the new AirPort is extending the signal since my speed has increased in some of the distant locations in our house.

Actual speed is the real test.. this is not the best way to extend the network.. it is however by far the cheapest and fastest and easiest. If future use shows results below expectations.. then wiring ethernet between the routers will give you a far superior network. Certainly if you own the house.. wiring for data is recommended. Long term it works.. fast and reliably.. ie opposite to wireless.

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