Do I *FULLY* backup Macintosh HD if I simply copy/paste it to an external drive?

While Time Machine does a great job when it comes to incremental backups, I'd like to start doing FULL backups, once a week, from now on.


If I simply copy/paste¹ Macintosh HD (my main partition with all my files), to an external drive, instead of using Time Machine, or any other 3rd party apps (like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper), do I get to FULLY back it up this way? Or are there files/data that TM/CCC/SD manage and backup without me even knowing, that will/might be lost during the simple process of copy/pasting to an external HD?


I guess it's probably not going to be bootable by simply copy/pasting, but that's ok, I just need it for backup. I don't need it to actually boot. I just need it to be recoverable, if ever needed.


Let me know, thank you. 🙂


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¹ What I mean by simply copy/pasting Macintosh HD to an external drive, is to open a Finder window, then Go to Computer (⇧⌘C), in order to view all the mounted volumes, and then just copy/paste the Macintosh HD icon to an external drive.

Posted on Sep 25, 2018 1:04 AM

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Sep 25, 2018 2:42 AM in response to itsjamesd

itsjamesd wrote:


¹ What I mean by simply copy/pasting Macintosh HD to an external drive, is to open a Finder window, then Go to Computer (⇧⌘C), in order to view all the mounted volumes, and then just copy/paste the Macintosh HD icon to an external drive.

No you can't just copy and paste. For one thing there are many invisible system files and folders that wouldn't get copied.


As far as this…

I guess it's probably not going to be bootable by simply copy/pasting, but that's ok, I just need it for backup. I don't need it to actually boot. I just need it to be recoverable, if ever needed.

What good does having a non-bootable backup do if you need to restore your system?


You should use CCC or SD! to make full clones.

Sep 25, 2018 6:53 AM in response to itsjamesd

You seem to be rejecting @dialabrain’s advice. Don’t. You need to use a cloning app like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper to make a proper back up your entire drive. Copying and Pasting will not make anything “recoverable” except individual files and for that you should be using Time Machine, Apple’s built-in backup app. Time machine can also restore your entire system if needed.

Sep 25, 2018 2:42 AM in response to dialabrain

dialabrain wrote:


No you can't just copy and paste. For one thing there are many invisible system files and folders that wouldn't get copied.


Was afraid that would be the case.


Invisible files related to Macintosh HD: (a) spread in the Volumes directory, or (b) actually in the Macintosh HD itself? If (b), doesn't copying a volume/folder in general, also copy every single file within it, no matter if visible or invisible?


I also have set my system to show all invisible files by default through Terminal if that makes any difference. And it does show all invisible files, with .DS_Store and .localized files being the only exception I've come across so far.


Thank you for letting me know.

Sep 26, 2018 8:28 AM in response to itsjamesd

Time Machine IS a full backup which you can fully restore your complete system with. Time Machine is incremental in that it backs up changed files every hour. Time Machine is a full back up in that you can restore your complete installation to any point you choose. If your internal hard drive craps out and has to be replaced you can restore the new drive up to any point you choose. This is how people can easily revert to a previous version of an app or macOS itself.

Sep 25, 2018 7:30 AM in response to itsjamesd

You're misunderstanding what Time Machine is.


Time machine is FULL backup and incremental backup.


Incremental backup when you need to restore 1 file from a folder from the past.


And a full, complete backup if your system is toast.

If this happens, and you start from the recovery partition, the Time Machine you have will be a source you can restore from.


This will restore everything and make your Mac bootable again.


There's an argument that Time Machine should be your ONLY backup, but it's a great, reliable start for ordinary users.

Sep 29, 2018 1:08 AM in response to itsjamesd

Not quite sure I understand you, but I still make the point that Time Machine is a full backup of your entire Mac.


"Each time I plug my external HD and have TM do a backup for me, it only backs up the files that have been modified since the last backup, and it offers no option to perform a full backup."


When it backs up the last modified files, it adds it to the previous backup, therefore it's a full backup.


How are you using Time Machine, if you want to restore a particular file - that might shed some light as to your process.

Sep 26, 2018 8:38 AM in response to JTFCD

Looking at this statement:


"While TM is going to make the Sep-26 backup folder (right after Sep-24) and when I click on it, I will find all files in my system"


Are you actually going to the backup drive and opening that folder?


If so I think that's the problem - that's not how you use Time Machine.


The backup drive isn't for the user to look through to find files, it's a reference for the system to find files or rebuild the entire drive.


To recover a individual file or folder - you use TM by opening the folder 'on your Mac' (not in the backup folder), where the file used to reside, and then selecting Time Machine in the menu bar and selecting 'Enter Time Machine'.


This then shows you all the versions of the folder going back into the past and you can restore any of the files and bring them back to the present.


To recover an entire volume - you use TM by selecting it as a source to restore from when you boot up from your recovery drive.

It rebuilds the entire drive from the Time Machine drive - this works very well - it's saved a Mac on a couple of occasions.


Sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious - just trying to understand your question.

Sep 26, 2018 12:21 AM in response to leroydouglas

Thank you all for replying.


I do, in fact, use both CCC and SD! and they're fine apps, it's just that I was mostly wondering if a simple copy/paste would suffice, thus this thread I made.


As I want to do an experiment for an article/project I'm doing, and go without non-Apple apps for about a month on a clean macOS installation, all that I'll be left with is TM.


Each time I plug my external HD and have TM do a backup for me, it only backs up the files that have been modified since the last backup, and it offers no option to perform a full backup.


Example:


Hypothetically, my Macintosh HD was 100 GB on Sep-24, which is the last TM backup.


On Sep-26, I download a 10 GB movie (haven't used my computer since Sep-24 for anything else), and backup through TM.


While TM is going to make the Sep-26 backup folder (right after Sep-24) and when I click on it, I will find all files in my system, the actual backup process will only last a couple of minutes and will only backup (slightly over) 10 GB of data, since that 10 GB movie was the only major change in my system (give or take a few KB/MB's that were also changed since Sep-24). I've also checked and verified that this is really how it works, on several occasions.


I believe that's referred to as an incremental backup (or maybe differential, don't really remember which is which), but it's definitely not a FULL backup, correct?


Ok, so since I intend to do a full backup once a week, how do I go about copying all 110 GB of my system on Sep-26, instead of just those 10 GB that TM only backed up since Sep-24?

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