Is My Ram Fried?! Is My Graphics Card To Blame?

Ok, I just posted a thread earlier today about buying 4 GB of Ram to complement my 2GB of Ram. Well, I get home after work and I check my computer "About This Mac" and it says 1GB of Ram is found in my computer!. I've been thinking lately that my Graphics card has been kinda fried since World of Warcraft screwed it up and now I think my Ram's also fried!

I tried opening the Mac Pro and taking the Ram out, I used a canned air to blow out all the dust and such and when I turned the computer back on, the Ram's still not found although there are 4 Ram sticks in there.

This is also the first time I've ever opened the computer since I bought it last November.

Is it possible to take it to an Apple Genius and swap out the graphics card and the Ram? Anyone know the policy on this? Do I have to bring the whole frickin tower or just the Ram sticks? Can I just bring my graphics card too?

Lugging that tower around sounds difficult. Ugh.

Anyone know what to do? At least I have 4GB coming, but I want my computer running well.

Any help or experience on hardware issues is welcome. Thanks

Mac Pro, 2.66GHz, 2GB RAM, 250GB HD, 500GB HD, ATI x1900X 512MB Ram, Mac OS X (10.4.7), 2 24" Dell Monitors (2405 & 2407 FPW)

Posted on Apr 17, 2007 10:12 PM

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Apr 17, 2007 10:27 PM in response to VSiskos

Have you tried resetting your SMC and your PRAM? This is a link to how to reset the SMC on a Mac Pro. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304123 To reset your pram, turn on your computer and then immediatly hold down the Apple-Option-P-R keys. Hold them until the computer restarts again and then release them. The combination of resetting your SMC and your PRAM may make your new memory work. I have had systems not recognize newly installed ram before and that solved my issue.

Mac Pro 2.66 Mac OS X (10.4.9) Dual Superdrive, Radeon x1900xt, 3 gig ram

Apr 17, 2007 10:39 PM in response to VSiskos

I would call your local apple store and explain the situation to them, that your graphics card went wonk as did your ram. They may want you to run the diagnostics disc that came with your system, and chances are they may also want you to bring your whole tower in to them for diagnostics and repair. I know this is a stupid question, but have you tried making sure that the memory card is seated fully into the logic board? They seem to take a bit of pressure to seat them fully into the slot.

Apr 17, 2007 10:47 PM in response to DeathDweller

Ya, I had never even touched the ram before, and yesterday my stats said I had 2GB of Ram, so unless someone knocked my tower over, which they didn't, there's no reason for my Ram to disappear, and I double checked to see if the Ram's set in place, and it is.

Ugh, I HATE stuff like this. There's no need for repair, just give me replacements. My motherboard's not broken, it's tiny sticks that I can install myself. Jeez, 4 of 'em are coming in the mail as we speak, and a graphics card is just, in essence, a bigger stick.

I really hope they don't want me to keep the system there for diagnostics and repair. Unless there's actually something wrong with the Ram boards. But we'll see. I need my computer right now for editing, and I can't be running around for a week hoping Apple was finally able to click in 2 replacement sticks of Ram and a graphics card.

Apr 18, 2007 10:34 AM in response to infinite vortex

I called Apple tech support this morning, and they told me that I should do the same thing you suggested, but I couldn't at the time because I'm transferring some important files that'll take a day or so. So I gotta do the diagnostics later.

However, I have some new issues. I reseated the Ram, and I didn't move them or anything. I put them each in the same spots I found 'em. Yesterday, when I went to About Mac and saw the specs of my computer, the 1GB of Ram was found in the 1 and 2 slots of what I think is representative of the bottom Ram platform. When I reseated the Ram, putting each stick in the same spot as before and putting the Ram platforms exactly where they were, I went to About Mac and the 1GB of Ram was now showing on the top 1 and 2 slots of the Ram platform. I don't know if that list shown in the memory specs area is indicative of the actual platforms, but the Ram was now at the top of the list instead of half way down the list. I clicked the Ram in there just fine, so I don't know what the issue is. I checked again and there's no looseness in the Ram.

So, beyond the weird switch in where my Mac Pro is seeing the Ram, I am also confused how the diagnostics tool I'm supposed to use to assess damage will be able to see if my Graphics card is screwy. The graphics card obviously still works well enough to display things (I just get random tearing and sometimes a sparkle here or there), yet the guy on the phone said that they won't replace the card unless the diagnostics tool says so. I asked if the tool will show that the card is screwy, he couldn't give me a straight answer. So I just wanna make sure, that when I do run it, the tool will give me something I can tell Apple to replace the card. I know the card's damaged from me playing World of Warcraft. So I just wanna know what I should be looking for in the diagnostics tool to convince Apple my card's screwy. Unless the tool can actually assess that, but I just can't see how the tool can do that.

So, ya, I can't talk to Apple until tomorrow when the files should be done uploading to our servers, but I'm just confused why the Ram switched platforms, according to my Mac Pro, and how the diagnostics tool can assess graphics card damage. I just want this bad boy to get fixed. Any insight would be fabulous.

Apr 18, 2007 11:04 AM in response to VSiskos

It should look something like: DIMM Riser A(B)/DIMM 1-4

There should be either:
Four DIMMs on A (1-4) or two on each Riser in DIMM 1 and 2.
The top Riser is A and is where the first set of DIMMs will be, in 1 and 2. The second pair could be on B 1 and 2.

AHT (hold down 'd' key to boot from the Install Disk #1) should be step #1. It is even possible for RAM to "get loose" during shipping, so always good idea to check or make sure it is inserted tightly.

RFI devices (phones, adapters etc) can cause interference with video. Heat is another concern.

If you have not, you might want to install Hardware Monitor 4.11 to monitor temps of all the fans, temperature sensors and drives. If you need more cooling, smcFanControl can provide a couple extra degrees C cooling as well.

If I had "flakey" RAM or problems, I would worry that your files could end up corrupted in the process. And I would backup local (FW or FW/SATA) drives with SuperDuper (300-400GB should not take more than an hour or two at most).

It could be related to memory, or video card, or the program... an answer looking to find evidence to support that conclusion, not letting evidence and facts lead to support it.

Mac Pro 2GHz 4GB 10K Raptor 23" Cinema Mac OS X (10.4.9) WD RE RAID Aaxeon FW800 PCIe MDD-G4 APC RS1500 Vista

Apr 18, 2007 11:39 AM in response to VSiskos

User uploaded fileHmmm… ok, I think it's question time…

1) Is the 2GB RAM Apple or 3rd party. If it, or part of it is 3rd part what make and model is it?

2) If you open System Profiler and go to the Memory tab your RAM layout should be all there. Can you confirm that only 2 DIMMs are appearing there.

3) Try swapping the memory risers (not the RAM in the risers) around. That is, putting the top to the bottom and vie versa and see if there's a difference. Checking System Profiler again do you get the memory layout as you would expect?

4) Do you have a tool like Hardware Monitor…

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24043

… that can quantify your RAM temperatures?

Apr 18, 2007 12:33 PM in response to infinite vortex

Save for a hard drive I installed last October, everything in my Mac Pro is straight from Apple.

Yes, only 2 DIMMS appear when there are 4 inside the computer. All identical sticks of 512MB from Apple.

When I get home tonight, I'll swap the risers, and see what happens. At work. But thank you for the help. I'll update as soon as I can.

No I don't have anything that monitors heat or Ram temps.

Apr 18, 2007 1:54 PM in response to VSiskos

Ok, so I got off work early today! YAY!

I came home and talked to Apple support. We find that it's a finnicky riser since we swapped them out.

Now I have a new problem. I got off the phone with Apple, after they are now sending me a new Riser, and I restart my computer, and now all the Ram is showing up. WHAT!?

Weird. So, I get my new 2 GB in the mail today, so I just now came back from my mailbox and decided I may as well install the new Ram from OWC, Mac Pro Certified and all that.

Well, now the risers seem to be working fine, but now it can't see my new ram sticks. What is going on!? This is the first time I've had some weird hardware issues with any of my Mac computers. I'm hoping this guy isn't kickin the bucket 😟

Apr 18, 2007 2:12 PM in response to VSiskos

I am super bummed. I think it's my riser ports or the motherboard's fried or something. I keep doing all sorts of variations of my Ram, and it's totally random what shows up. Right now I have 4 x 512MB sticks in slots 1 and 2 of risers A and B and I have the 2 x 1GB sticks in slot 3 of risers A and B, and now only 1 GB shows up on my computer total. It says I have 2 x 512MB sticks on riser A only. That's all. It can't see the other 4 sticks.

I tried putting in just the 2 x 1GB sticks alone, and it only sees 1GB yet again. I swap out the Risers, the same problem. It's completely random what shows up and when.

I don't know what to do. I'm pretty sure I have to take it in, but I can't right now since I'm super busy. I'm super upset.

Anyone else have any ideas what I can do to fix the issue? Thanks 😟

Apr 18, 2007 2:21 PM in response to VSiskos

Right now I have 4 x 512MB sticks in slots 1 and 2 of risers A and B and I have the 2 x 1GB sticks in slot 3 of risers A and B, and now only 1 GB shows up on my computer total. It says I have 2 x 512MB sticks on riser A only. That's all. It can't see the other 4 sticks.

OHHH hang on a sec

You can't install a stick in slot 3 of a riser and leave slot 4 empty.

You must put BOTH of those 1 GB sticks in slots 3 and 4 of one riser. FB-DIMMs must be installed in pairs, in either the first 2 or last 2 slots of the same riser.

-- Mark

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