Digital Asset Management (DAM)

I'm looking at purchasing software that can act as digital asset management, does Aperture have this ability. Basically I need to store digital images off my of hard drive onto DVD/external drives for archiving and then need to be able to find them again quickly.
I already use Canto Cumulus 6 for this but I have moved on to Intel Mac Pro and need to upgrade, might be time for a change.Any advise is appreciated.
Thanks for the help.
Bill

Power Book G4 1.5/ Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.1)

Posted on Jan 2, 2008 5:29 AM

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Jan 2, 2008 7:52 AM in response to William Ritchie

Aperture can work as a SINGLE USER DAM system. It won't function as a multi-user server-based DAM solution (like Cumulus and Portfolio can).

You can move images to "offline" volumes (e.g. hard drives) using referenced masters. You'll need to generate previews for the images, and you cannot edit offline images, but otherwise they'll come up in keyword searches, etc.

That said, I wouldn't use CD/DVD media for this... I'd use external HDs.

I read an article in Digital Photo Pro about a sports shooter pro who had 4 Xserve RAIDs that contained all of his images (30-40 TB of them); his entire library was searchable from his laptop because of the previews. Don't recall his name, but he has been featured on Apple's Aperture site.

Jan 2, 2008 11:21 AM in response to William Lloyd

William
Thanks for the helpful reply.There are periods of time when I shoot high volumes of images and making thumb nails for the would be a time consuming extra step. Even with batching specific volumes of shots, I know it wouldn't get done. I am a single user with no need to network and I do have a second drive on my Mac Pro just for photography (external as well).
I will check out the Aperture site for the Sports Photographer, it is something that sounds interesting (though I don't shoot that much) but over the years shots adds up and it is harder when I can't find what I'm looking for.
I appreciate you generous insights.
Happy New Year
Bill

Jan 2, 2008 11:27 AM in response to SierraDragon

Allen
You sound like you like this program. I do, at times, generate lots of photos and recovery has been a problem. It is time to spend more money to upgrade with Cumulus and it is the perfect time to change if I can find the appropriate solution. I found the Cumulus support frustrating and at time confusing, thats why I thought Aperture might be something to look into.
Thank you for your insights.
Bill

Jan 2, 2008 2:13 PM in response to William Ritchie

Bill-

At this point in time Aperture IMO is the best app on the planet for volume DSLR capture management and DAM for folks with adequate Mac hardware (your basic setup qualifies, but if you do buy Aperture you will want one of the better graphics cards available after Expo). After Mac Expo SF is over on January 18th I will have refined my opinion after spending extensive time at the relevant booths on the show floor.

IMO cursory evaluation of Aperture is a waste of time. Without really good competent guidance one usually either totally does not get it and/or simply develops bad habits.

I recommend that folks with adequate hardware (MacIntel, minimum 2 GB RAM, 4+ GB is better) invest time and $33 in Apple Pro Training Series: Aperture 1.5 (Apple Pro Training) by Orlando Luna and Ben Long (Paperback - Oct 2006). It is a training Tutorial, not just a manual; its value is as a tutorial, not as a manual. As you work through the tutorial the various Aperture workflow choices become evident and then you can choose your preferred configuration.

Even if you ultimately choose another app the workflow choices learned working the tutorial are invaluable. Aperture has a free 30 day trial, but have the tutorial CD in hand and RAM installed before downloading the trial so you do not waste time of the trial.

Aperture is hardware-intense and there are routines to learn to optimize speed. A good forum exists at <http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1092>.

Note that Aperture allows a dual laptop/desktop installation and will run on your G4 Powerbook, but marginally. I recommend that you thoroughly learn Aperture and its workflow alternatives on your Mac Pro before trying to implement any workflow that involves the PB. Making dual-computer setups work is tricky, and scaling volumes of images for laptop access is a challenge.

-Allen Wicks

Jan 2, 2008 3:36 PM in response to SierraDragon

I presently have a RadeonX1900 card,4 Gigs of RAM and two Hard Drives, basically the machine is brand new so I doubt if I'll be spending any more money on other cards for a while but I hear what you are saying, I could probably get along fine with Aperature with my current set up and some formal tutorial education.I would have said before that I must have my digital images on removable storage but I have such a hard time keeping track of whats on them that a dedicated HD would probably be a good idea. It is my lack of really embracing Cumulus that led to my situation. I used it at it's most rudimentary level and it worked for what I wanted it for...then, I need more now.
My laptop will eventually be replaced with a newer Intel so that everything is compatible. I do most of my photography elsewhere so the PB becomes the storage device and in the past the processor but like I said the Mac Pro is new so that arrangement will change happily.
I would appreciate any insights you may have after the expo and I thank you for taking the time to share your insights.
Bill

Jan 2, 2008 8:26 PM in response to William Ritchie

William Ritchie wrote:
William
Thanks for the helpful reply.There are periods of time when I shoot high volumes of images and making thumb nails for the would be a time consuming extra step. Even with batching specific volumes of shots, I know it wouldn't get done.


The thumbnails are automatically generated, with no intervention or prompting from you. Previews--of a size you choose--can also be automatically generated with no intervention from you.

Jan 3, 2008 3:44 AM in response to William Ritchie

"It is my lack of really embracing Cumulus that led to my situation."

Maybe I'm reading more into this comment, but be careful before you start thinking of Aperture as a magic bullet. It could help, as could Lightroom, but you could be just moving your dissatisfaction onto the next program - a few months later you'll be looking for another magic solution. You might be better advised to ramp up your DAM knowledge and address your practices. Get Peter Krogh's The DAM Book - - you don't have to accept everything but there's great practical discussion of fundamental principles - and visit his forum http://thedambook.com/smf/ .

But do try both Aperture and Lightroom - what counts is what's there now, not what's promised. They both have trials - and only you can decide whether either works for you.

Jan 3, 2008 4:44 AM in response to SierraDragon

Allen
I'd like to think of the Mac Pro as the mother ship and my laptop as the satellite. Since, like I said, I'm out in the field shooting and using the PB to dump my CF cards and occasionally check to see how things are going I need to really discipline myself to perform the necessary tasks to ensure my digital images get put away so I can easily recall them later.
What is (in your HO) an adequate Mac Book Pro/Ibook configuration for field photography?
Thanks again for your thoughtful response, I will pay special attention to "Referenced Masters".
Bill

Jan 3, 2008 5:16 AM in response to William Ritchie

William Ritchie wrote:
DP
Thanks for that good news. Is there a box I'd check to have that happen? So if I stored my masters elsewhere, Hard Drive, DVD, I'd still have thumb nails to look over and when I needed the image Aperture would tell me where it is, if I've done my part of the bargin correctly that is?


That's exactly the case. When you import images, Aperture generates a series of small thumbnails which are stored at the top of each Project inside the Library package. If you have Previews turned on these are also stored in the Library package.
These thumbnails and Previews remain in the Library even if the master files are referenced on an offline drive. You can still rate, edit metadata and organise the images, the only thing you can't do when the masters are offline is apply image adjustments or export anything.
Right-clicking on the thumbnail of a referenced image and choosing 'Show in Finder' will show it in the Finder if the drive is online, and will give you the name of the drive if it's offline.

No checkboxes required, unless you want the Previews.

Ian

Jan 3, 2008 5:51 AM in response to culcheth

culcheth
Initially I read everything that I needed in order to get going and Cumulus worked really well for a while. But over time Cumulus kept the pressure on to purchase more and license that. I got cryptic replies from the support teams and thought at the time Cumulus was not very Mac friendly. When I made the switch to Intel based Mac my version of Cumulus 6.0.1 would work for a few sub categories changes and then freeze, obviously not made for the Intel system. I have hundreds of CD's and DVD's with cataloged Digital images on them and it would make sense just to upgrade Cumulus again but I'm willing to leave my unhappy experience with Cumulus to start anew and like you say, learn what is required. There is no silver bullet, that would have been iPhoto if only they allowed DAM with that software.
Many thanks
Bill

Jan 3, 2008 5:55 AM in response to Ian Wood

Ian
Well this is sounding better all the time. You obviously have come from the IBM world with your right clicking mouse, I'm sure there are drop down menus for us Mighty Mouse users..;o)
I'm thinking this is what I've been looking for. I'll have to download the demo. Do you know if Light Box is to Aperture like Bridge is to Photo Shop? I have heard references to using light box in concert with Aperture, can't imagine needing more than Photo Shop and Aperture.
Thanks very much
Bill

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