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Logic 8.02 Mac Pro TDM Digi 96 i/0 OSX 10.5.5 - HEEELP!!!

Anyone running Logic 8.02 in TDM successfully on a Mac Pro?

I've reinstalled and checked everything for months now!

Still no sound from EXS (TDMAux) or any Dtdm / ESB . .. only audio . .

Help!

Mac Pro 2x3GHz DualCore Xeon, Mac OS X (10.5.5), Digi 96 i/o, Magma Xpansion Chassi

Posted on Sep 29, 2008 3:50 AM

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Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 12:42 PM in response to Dane Petrich

Would you mind presenting your info on "PCI Cards" in System Profiler?

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 12:43 PM in response to ttrec

Hey ttrec

What's your info in System Profiler? Computer model and PCI Cards would be interesting . .

Thx!

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Sep 30, 2008 1:07 PM in response to Dane Petrich

Does your PCI list look anything like this?

PCI Cards:

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0x0341
Revision ID: 0x0009
Link Width: x4

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0x0340
Revision ID: 0x0009
Link Width: x4

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@5,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0xb154
Revision ID: 0x0000

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,12,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,11,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,10,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,9,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,8,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@9,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeed3
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@5,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0xb154
Revision ID: 0x0000

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,12,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,11,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,10,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,9,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,8,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@8,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeed3
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@5,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0xb154
Revision ID: 0x0000

pci10b5,9030:

Type: Other Bridge Device
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@7,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x9030
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeee1
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@7,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@7,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeee1
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@5,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x8086
Device ID: 0xb154
Revision ID: 0x0000

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,12,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,11,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,10,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,9,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,8,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@6,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeed2
Revision ID: 0x0001

ATY,RadeonX1900:

Name: ATY,Alopias
Type: display
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x7249
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1002
Subsystem ID: 0x7249
Revision ID: 0x0000
Link Width: x16

ttrec

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Sep 30, 2008 1:43 PM in response to Kriller

i think we have different mac pros...

Modellname: Mac Pro
Modell-Identifizierung: MacPro3,1
Prozessortyp: Quad-Core Intel Xeon
Prozessorgeschwindigkeit: 2.8 GHz
Anzahl der Prozessoren: 2
Gesamtzahl der Kerne: 8
L2-Cache (pro Prozessor): 12 MB
Speicher: 8 GB
Busgeschwindigkeit: 1.6 GHz
Boot-ROM-Version: MP31.006C.B05
SMC Version: 1.25f4
Seriennummer: xxxxxxxxxxx

Sep 30, 2008 1:51 PM in response to Kriller

ATY,RadeonX1900:

Name: ATY,Alopias
Type: display
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x7249
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1002
Subsystem ID: 0x7249
Revision ID: 0x0000
Link Width: x16

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x8111
Revision ID: 0x0021
Link Width: x1

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x8111
Revision ID: 0x0021
Link Width: x1

pci-bridge:

Type: PCI-to-PCI Bridge
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x8111
Revision ID: 0x0021
Link Width: x1

pci10b5,9030:

Type: Other Bridge Device
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2@17,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x9030
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeef0
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci10b5,9030:

Type: Other Bridge Device
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@14,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x9030
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeef0
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci10b5,9030:

Type: Other Bridge Device
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@4,7,0
Vendor ID: 0x10b5
Device ID: 0x9030
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeef0
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2@17,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2@17,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2@17,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeef0
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@4,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@4,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@4,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeef1
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@14,6,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@14,5,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1057
Subsystem ID: 0xffff
Revision ID: 0x0001

pci1057,3410:

Type: Other Multimedia
Driver Installed: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-3@14,4,0
Vendor ID: 0x1057
Device ID: 0x3410
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x11af
Subsystem ID: 0xeef1
Revision ID: 0x0001

ttrec

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Sep 30, 2008 1:59 PM in response to Dane Petrich

and here are my pci profiles, but i think if it's an osx or a hardware issue, pro tools would also not work, but it does....

Name: ATY,Lamna
Typ: display
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-1
Hersteller-ID: 0x1002
Geräte-ID: 0x9588
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x106b
Subsystem-ID: 0x00a6
Versions-ID: 0x0000
Link-Breite: x16

Typ: PCI-zu-PCI-Bridge
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2
Hersteller-ID: 0x8086
Geräte-ID: 0x0341
Versions-ID: 0x0009
Link-Breite: x4

Typ: PCI-zu-PCI-Bridge
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2
Hersteller-ID: 0x8086
Geräte-ID: 0x0340
Versions-ID: 0x0009
Link-Breite: x4

Typ: PCI-zu-PCI-Bridge
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@2,4,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x8086
Geräte-ID: 0xb154
Versions-ID: 0x0000

Typ: PCI-zu-PCI-Bridge
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@2,5,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x8086
Geräte-ID: 0xb154
Versions-ID: 0x0000

Typ: Anderes Bridge-Gerät
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@4,6,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x10b5
Geräte-ID: 0x9030
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x11af
Subsystem-ID: 0xeee1
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,8,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,7,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,6,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,5,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,4,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x11af
Subsystem-ID: 0xeed2
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@4,5,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@4,4,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x11af
Subsystem-ID: 0xeee1
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,12,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,11,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,10,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Typ: Anderes Multimedia
Treiber installiert: Ja
Bus: PCI
Steckplatz: Slot-2@3,9,0
Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Geräte-ID: 0x3410
Subsystem-Hersteller-ID: 0x1057
Subsystem-ID: 0xffff
Versions-ID: 0x0001

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 2:19 PM in response to ttrec

Ok, so both of you have the later quad-cores . . I guess that kills the model-issue . .

What about graphics? I'm running 2 monitors . . one 30" and one 23" . .

What about you guys?

ttrec

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Sep 30, 2008 2:29 PM in response to Kriller

i'm running 2 19" monitors.....

i think the BIG difference is that we both use the magma and dane doesn't. perhaps logic doesn't fully support the expansion chassis?

Kriller, do you also have random crashes?

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 2:34 PM in response to ttrec

You are absolutely right, but I really hope it's not the magma, since apple decided to only have 4 PCI-slots. The graphics-card takes up 2 slots . . so, it's the only way of running a decent PT system, as you well know . .
I remember seeing something somewhere (can't find it again) about problems with 2 monitors in Leopard . . .

How many do you run, Dane?

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 2:40 PM in response to Kriller

I must say . . the fact that we are 3 TDM-users out of tens-of-thousands of Logic-users is kinda' discouraging . .

Dane - you should install and sell Logic TDM systems! Maybe that way we'd be a bigger crowd again 🙂

Sep 30, 2008 2:56 PM in response to Kriller

I use 2 23' Apple Cinema displays.

Sep 30, 2008 2:57 PM in response to Kriller

*23'

and I wish I could really do that!!!!!!!!! I'd love a better job!

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 2:58 PM in response to Dane Petrich

Ok. Another theory bites the dust 🙂 I guess I have to try disconnecting the magma . .

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 3:00 PM in response to Dane Petrich

Haha! Yeah . . May I ask how you use your fabulous rig? Is it involved in your main source of income?

Kriller Author

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Sep 30, 2008 3:04 PM in response to ttrec

It is confusing that Pro Tools works flawlessly with the magma under leopard and logic doesn't . .

Like in every configuration since logic 7, I have random crashes.

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