Canon G11 RAW format not supported?

Hi John,
Sorry if my request for RAW support for the Canon PowerShot G11 does not meet with your approval !

I have enjoyed using Aperture in conduction with my Nikon D2x for years.

I would like the opportunity to use my Canon PowerShot G11 in the RAW format with Aperture, to use the functionality of the RAW fine tuning. and only then I will make a judgement of it’s benefits

Regards
Martin

I too would like to apologize, John, for falling short of your standards with my little point & shoot using raw.
I also intend to reserve judgment until I have a chance to really work with the RAW images and compare them with the large jpegs.
Again, I am sorry if this bothers you. 😟
-Adam

Guys... don't apologize. It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm not the one wasting my time.

You own a great camera. My point is simple... you're barking up the wrong tree shooting RAW.

Now you're informed... feel free to make your choice. Why are you so defensive? LOL

"Why are you so defensive?"

Because you attacked them?

John,
I misunderstood the tone of your message, you seemed bothered & on the offence. My bad.
Anyway, as an expert I respectfully disagree with you, but again, I won't know for certain whether I'm right until I've actually played with the raw's. If I'm mistaken, I'll be the first to admit it, until then I'll continue to bark up this tree.

-Adam

Hi John,
Thank you, for your interesting reply.

My request and the point of the tread is simple, people would like RAW support for the Canon PowerShot G11, to use it in the said format and then an individual will make their own mind up on the Pro’s and con’s of using the RAW fine tuning within Aperture.

I have found many times it’s not always the man shooting the loudest that is right !, so I have an open mind on the issue and I do think it would be more beneficial to having RAW support for the Canon PowerShot G11 than not.

Regards
Martin

Thanks... it wasn't meant as an attack. I just honestly believe (and I shot over 100,000 images per year) there are a lot of people needlessly shooting RAW based on misinformation. This falls right inline with # of megapixels, image stabilization and all the rest of the digital-disinformation era.

There is a time and a place for RAW. I shoot with Canon DSLRs and Leica. My favorite images come from the Leica Digilux 2. It is a 5MP five year-old camera. The lens is phenomenal... and the jpeg IQ will leave my 5D MKII on the shelf 9 times out of 10. Sadly, at the end of the day, the Leica does leave me short on file size for commercial work. But, I'm here to tell you, every time I download jpegs from the Leica I am stunned.

I just feel... and I think I have the background to speak with a little bit of authority... most people would benefit far more from understanding light and proper exposure than futzing around with post processing and worrying about RAW. Seriously.... if 90% of those that believe in RAW would spend anytime at all comparing RAW processors and the variables introduced by the different engines converting the RAW, they'd start to understand the can of worms they are opening up.

The people that built your camera have a pretty good idea of how to make those images (from that camera) sing.... if and where they miss... you should be able to tweak the jpeg to taste.

Now I'm not talking about intense commercial or set-up shooting... in those cases, post processing can involve more than the shoot itself. And... to be fair, I think you'd be using "heavier" equipment in those cases anyway.

So... to take my 5D Mk11 or Leica, or 40D... or G11 on a walk around shoot, jpegs are going to deliver just fine. And.. when I say fine, I don't think I need to defend my standard of "fine." LOL -

Feel free to go through my galleries.... and know... they're JPEGS. 😉

I just wanted to point out that in most cases RAW is not the end-all. Correct exposure means so much more.

JT

Just for reference, here are a few sample jpegs from my 5 year-old Leica Digilux 2.

http://www.johnthawley.com/leica-digilux-2-samples/single-gallery/2471303
http://www.johnthawley.com/leica-digilux-2-samples/single-gallery/2522769
http://www.johnthawley.com/leica-digilux-2-samples/single-gallery/2457277
http://www.johnthawley.com/leica-digilux-2-samples/single-gallery/2517247

Spoken like Ken Rockwell...8^)

Though ironically he appears to be shooting RAW with his new Digital Leica!

You have to admit that it is nice to at least have the RAW option, available, no?

I took a time exposure with a Rebel XT during a lightning storm and made adjustments to the JPEG and RAW file as an experiment. Making the picture darker on the JPEG just reduced the clouds to a bunch of black blobs. Adjusting brightness with the RAW kept detail in the clouds while removing the white smears around the lightning strikes.

Still, I usually shoot JPEG.

Keith Barkley wrote:
Spoken like Ken Rockwell...8^)

Though ironically he appears to be shooting RAW with his new Digital Leica!

You have to admit that it is nice to at least have the RAW option, available, no?

I took a time exposure with a Rebel XT during a lightning storm and made adjustments to the JPEG and RAW file as an experiment. Making the picture darker on the JPEG just reduced the clouds to a bunch of black blobs. Adjusting brightness with the RAW kept detail in the clouds while removing the white smears around the lightning strikes.

Still, I usually shoot JPEG.

Not sure I want to be compared to Ken Rockwell. 😟 NOT a fan.

Your time exposure example, however, is a case for RAW. If I'm going to do static shots of a car where I'll need to chase critical reflections and make some serious specific choices, I'll probably shoot RAW. But again, those are exceptions. And... I wouldn't be using one of my point n' shoot cameras.

Listen, there are some amazing point n' shoot cameras on the market... I'm just not convinced that even the above average user is that well versed in the conversion process to do better than the manufacturer's own secret sauce. 😉

JT

I just want Apple to support the Canon G11 RAW I have been using a Leica Digi-lux 3 which incidentally I purchased because at the time it was the only compact that produced RAW files but I am fed up wit the lack of viewfinder and problems with LCD viewing.

My Mac Pro will not recognise or put an icon up when I connect the Sandisk EXIII card but Aperture did appear to load the files with the and displays the unsupported format Red screen when trying to go full size.

Dont want to get into a RAW v JPG spat I shoot RAW, Canon D5, HBlad H3D39 and Leica D-Lux 3
suppose I am going to have to do the Adobe Raw (if its supported) - Dng or Tiff workaround until Apple get their act together
Has anyone got any better solutions ?

Regards

Phil

the G11 and RAW have their place. I got one for my wife who does not want to carry around a DSLR and just getting into learning how to edit photos. I know this is a shocker for some of the arrogance around here but she edits photos because she enjoys it. Seriously, some of the "pros" need to get off their high and mighty horses.

You know, did you ever think... for just one minute... someone who happens to know what they're talking about MIGHT... just MIGHT be giving you some decent advice?

You can shoot a G11 and use RAW all day long. Have at it. While you're at it, you can shift the little stick on your mini-van through Drive 1, 2 and 3 too. You can even go vroom, vroom, vroom with your lips. You'll still get where you're going. No harm, no foul.

The ONLY point being made here is you don't need to shoot RAW with a G11. The net gain in 99% of your shooting situations is zip... nada... You will get just as good of quality.. and you can still edit... using JPEG. I shoot DSLRs and point n' shoots. I shoot 100,000 frames per year.... 90,000 plus are JPEG. My only point is, there's the right tool for the right job. RAW is not the end-all be-all... regardless of the camera you're using.

No one is on a high horse. Feel free to think I'm an ***, I'm arrogant... or whatever else you need to feel to justify your ignorance. It makes no difference to me.

Thanks for making it personal. You're a class act.

Message was edited by: John Thawley

John,
The essence of this thread is Canon PowerShot G11 users would like to use the RAW functionality that come with the camera with their program of choice being Aperture.

Do you have a Canon PowerShot G11 ? If not your views would be pointless to me ! ( please don’t give me a list of cameras you do have that is irrelevant )

If you have a Canon PowerShot G11, I look forward to your detailed analyses between RAW and JPEG, if it is Aperture do support the format in time to come.

Martin

MartinBrads

The essence of this thread is that it's pointless. As I pointed out earlier:

As I’m sure you recall from your careful reading of the Terms of Service you agreed to when you joined the Apple Discussions, this is a User to User forum. Apple aren’t here. They don’t promise to read anything here.

If you want to talk to Apple, use the Feedback route:

Aperture menu -> Provide Aperture Feedback

That's the route to Apple.

Regards

TD