Flash player

elguapoloco wrote:
I develop for Flash which has an average release cycle of 18 month, not 10 years. And a new version of the Flash player reaches market maturity in less than a year. If HTML5 is meant to compete with Flash it needs to step up its game. I am all for change, progress, innovation and competition.

Ah, you're a Flash developer. Now I understand.

madmanuk wrote:
and no, I wont find alternative sites for you - I find alternatives for what interests me.

I didn't think for a moment that you would. The simple answer is that there no alternatives.

madmanuk wrote:
replace your ipad with something that supports flash

Do you listen to what people are saying? Why is there this 'the iPad's not for you' type response on this forum whenever someone dares to even question Apple's decisions.
I love my iPad and wouldn't swap it for anything.
However, that does not mean that I am not being inconvenienced by the lack of the Demon Flash.

"Why is there this 'the iPad's not for you' type response on this forum whenever someone dares to even question Apple's decisions."

because you appear to be unable to accept the way it is

On the contrary, it's people who like you seem to be unable to 'accept the way it is'. You are unable to accept that the lack of Flash causes inconvenience to others. I, on the other hand, am able to accept that some people are inconvenienced, and some people are not. I also accept that there will no Flash on iPad, despite the inconvenience to a lot of users.
Which one of us is not accepting the way it is?
Hmmm..

Meg St._Clair wrote:

Ah, you're a Flash developer. Now I understand.

Still waiting for the innovations in HTML5 🙂

I didnt say it doesnt cause inconvenience to others.

I still think it is the correct decision.

One big innovation is the ability to process/play H264 video (the defacto web standard today) without requiring ANY 3rd party plugins or wrappers around the video. That leads to superior performance on mobile devices. What's not to love ??

If I was a Flash developer, I would DEFINITELY be out there learning HTML5. The Flash Player of today is the Realplayer of yesterday. Its days are numbered.

madmanuk wrote:
I didnt say it doesnt cause inconvenience to others.

I still think it is the correct decision.

I agree that it is the correct decision. My beef has always been that some people here just dismiss the inconvenience, and dismiss users who are inconvenienced during the transitional period over the next few years.

Greetings,

Never, is a good answer, and it's for the best. HTML5 is taking over at an incredible rate. Flash has always been plagued with issues, and it's never been fixed.

I've not missed it on my iPhones, or iPad one little bit.

Cheers,

M.

It seems that the one doing the dismissing is you. I only speak for myself, not anyone else and for myself, I do NOT find the lack of flash an inconvenience.

If flash is a priority or must have for someone then the iPad is not the correct device for that person.

WBmacUser wrote:
One big innovation is the ability to process/play H264 video (the defacto web standard today) without requiring ANY 3rd party plugins or wrappers around the video. That leads to superior performance on mobile devices. What's not to love ??

If I was a Flash developer, I would DEFINITELY be out there learning HTML5. The Flash Player of today is the Realplayer of yesterday. Its days are numbered.

If you were a Flash developer, like me, you would already know HTML, Javascript and CSS. And if you were a web developer you would know that Flash and HTML do not compete. Except in Apple's La La Land.

Now I am learning Objective-C and also starting openGL ES 🙂

Tamara wrote:
It seems that the one doing the dismissing is you. I only speak for myself, not anyone else and for myself, I do NOT find the lack of flash an inconvenience.

If flash is a priority or must have for someone then the iPad is not the correct device for that person.

I'm guessing that you decide not to read previous posts.

WBmacUser wrote:
One big innovation is the ability to process/play H264 video (the defacto web standard today) without requiring ANY 3rd party plugins or wrappers around the video. That leads to superior performance on mobile devices. What's not to love ??

Flash web video delivery is the standard today.

What's not to love:
h.264 is not supported by Firefox, the #1 browser after IE.
IE will support the Video tag in their next version only. It will be years before the majority uses IE9. And it looks like Firefox has no plans on adding the h.264 codec.

We will be able to compare performance on mobile devices when Flash 10.1 is released. Should be interesting.

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h.264 is not supported by Firefox, the #1 browser after IE.
IE will support the Video tag in their next version only. It will be years before the majority uses IE9. And it looks like Firefox has no plans on adding the h.264 codec.

So we should be upset that Apple doesn't support Flash, but OK with IE not supporting HTML5 and Firefox not supporting H.264?

Seems to me the HTML5 demos do seem to have a lot of Flash functionality.... if you're talking about Flash from 5-10 years in the past! HTML5 can't touch current-day Flash functionality.

Moreover, HTML5 will still have a lot of the same incompatibility issues between browsers and operating systems that HTML had in the 90's... but on a larger order of magnitude due to the addition of more browser choice and mobile OS and browser versions.

HTML5 is a nice upgrade to the spec, but hardly going to bury Flash like Steve hopes. Apple needs to work with Adobe on Flash 10.1 for the iPhone OS so it's customers can truly enjoy the entire web.