iMac keeps crashing after Catalina upgrade

I have a 2019 iMac (Core i9, 64GB of RAM, Radeon Pro Vega 48, 2TB SSD) that I upgraded to Catalina. I thought everything was working fine until I stepped away from my computer for about half an hour and came back to the log in screen; upon logging in, it said my computer had restarted. Submitted the crash report to Apple. I thought it was a glitch. Kept working, then later on, same thing happened. Stepped away, and came back to the same thing. Submitted the crash report to Apple again. Then it happened again. And again. And again. Today, same thing; computer keeps crashing, over and over and over.


I've changed nothing in terms of hardware or software between yesterday and today (or since I set up this iMac a few months ago), except for upgrading to Catalina. Under Mojave, there were no issues.


If anyone has any idea how to resolve this, that would be greatly appreciated!


Below is one of the many, many crash reports, but they all look similar in terms of it seeming to be related to com.apple.WindowServer:


iMac Line (2012 and Later)

Posted on Oct 8, 2019 5:53 PM

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Posted on Oct 12, 2019 9:25 AM

If you have the same issue as OP (the machine crashes reliably when you leave it alone for about 10 minutes, you probably have multiple external screens), I've made some progress. If your problem isn't like that (most of the comments here don't seem to be) YMMV, but I wouldn't expect this to help you.


The short version is, that I've made the crashes stop by deleting my Google accounts (and a weird looking null 'Contacts' account that was in the same list) from System Preferences | Internet Accounts. I'm currently re-adding my email addresses one by one to see if the crashing starts again. But there are thousands of mails to download, so it'll take a while before I can say whether that's safe.


I came to this conclusion by installing a fresh version of Catalina next to my main install. I couldn't reproduce the issue in the fresh install; no crashing. Then I gradually added apps and services one by one, leaving the machine alone for a while after each thing. If I came back and the session was still alive, I knew that app or service hadn't caused the problem. The crashing only started when I enabled my email accounts on that Preferences screen. Deleting them stopped the crashing (disabling them wasn't enough).


I hope this helps somebody out.

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Oct 12, 2019 4:00 PM in response to mrbofus

I'm having the same issue. I have successfully stopped (read: worked around) the problem and recreated the problem three times.


I have two 4k monitors attached to my 2019 MacBook Pro (2019 MacBook Pro with 8-core i9 processor and Radeon Pro Vega 20 GPU). It seems that whenever the computer under a heavy computational load (like bulk transferring large files) and engages the GPU to assist, the computer freezes and then force-restarts to resolve the situation. (I'm sure that's not technically what's happening under hood, but that's the best way I can describe what seems to be happening.) This happens only when I am connected to my 4k monitors. When I disconnect them, my MacBook is stable and doesn't crash.


So now have two 4k monitors that are sitting unused until Apple gets this fixed, or I revert back to the previous OS version. This is hands down the worst upgrade experience I have had with Apple since I bought my first Mac in 2007. Disappointing, to say the least.

Oct 15, 2019 2:16 PM in response to limeybob

What worked for me was to restart the computer in safe mode, remove all devices connected that isn't a monitor mouse and keyboard. Restart the computer back to normal mode, work with the computer without anything connected, if everything works, then connect one device at the time, see work with the computer with only that device connected and see if it crashes, if not you connect the next. That worked for me and hasn't crashed or froze at all today.


Credit to Apple support via twitter, apparently starting in safe mode will clear cache and fix some problems, which it did for me.

Oct 19, 2019 9:54 AM in response to mrbofus

Running MacOS Catalina 10.15 on Macbook Pro 11,5 with 2 monitors attached. All software up-to-date and lots of SSD disk space and RAM.

Initially started as a problem highlight text in word for Mac. When I highlight anything in word, MacOS halts for 10 sec. Then I go back to work until I make a mistake and highlight something. Then after a few halts, one of the monitors normally turns all red or yellow sometimes, then back to normal for a short period of time before it outright crashes. Wash, Rinse, Repeat!

Word for Mac solution: When working with word for Mac on Catalina, disconnect all external monitors and all is well! All solutions found online including installing everything all failed.

Now, the problem is beginning to show on Pathfinder 8.6 as well as VLC (2 crashes today!)

Again, the solution, disconnecting the monitors solves the problem!!!

Looking at at the console logs, the problem seems to be related to AMD Graphics.

Oct 29, 2019 9:04 AM in response to ductng2002

Hi,


after a week of running with less and less crashes after my fresh install (and maybe I was being more careful). I decided to reset the NVRAM and SMC. Now I am running a week without any random crashed and in the last two days I am have also reinstalled my full set of apps and I have been using my laptop as intense as before.


It seems the problem went away with a combination of cleaning up my old install and the hardware resets. Next time I should directly follow these steps.


I am sorry to hear that other people still have problems and some solutions similar to mine still do not help.


Cheers

Duc

Dec 31, 2019 5:16 PM in response to Anomuumi

Just following up after seeing these issues continuing.


I've switched off my external pair of Dell monitors for the moment and started using my iPad Pro as a second monitor with Sidecar. It's not ideal, it's not as productive as having multiple monitors but it works and does not crash, so that's a potential interim option for those that have one available.


Let' hope 10.15.3 helps....


Steve




Jan 13, 2020 6:56 AM in response to HighAttendance

I have been dealing with this issue on two iMacs with Catalina.


The crash only happens when external monitors are connected.


The only workaround I have been able to make work is NEVER allowing the screen to sleep (screensaver ON) by using the "Amphetamine" app from the App Store. Any combination of settings without using "Amphetamine" cause the kernel panic when the computer idles.

Jan 15, 2020 1:53 PM in response to N.W.J. Hazelton

I don't need Paragon anymore


From EtreCheck report:

2020-01-08 09:39:10 Kernel Panic (4 times)
        Details:
            panic(cpu 4 caller 0xffffff800de6520a): Kernel trap at 0xffffff7f8ee30
            473, type 14=page fault, registers:
        3rd party kernel extensions: 
            com.paragon-software.filesystems.ntfs

Jan 24, 2020 7:03 AM in response to Praetoriano

Hello Praetoriano - I have been able to replicate your problem on two iMacs - crash on idle only when 2 external monitors are connected (Late 2014; iMac Pro) and I have been able to keep the computers awake and avoid kernel panics by using "amphetamine" app from the App Store, and leaving the screens ON, running a screensaver. You must use amphetamine to keep the screens on, however.

Jan 24, 2020 11:06 AM in response to Chaz-Z32

Download and run Etrecheck. Etrecheck is a diagnostic tool that was developed by one of the most respected users here in the ASC and recommended by Apple Support  to provide a snapshot of the system and help identify the more obvious culprits that can adversely affect a Mac's performance.


Copy the report



and use the Add Text button to include the report in your reply. How to use the Add Text Feature When Posting Large Amounts of Text, i.e. an Etrecheck Report


IMPORTANT:

Before running Etrecheck assign Full Disk Access to Etrecheck so that it can get additional information from the Console and log files for the report:



ALSO IMPORTANT:


Then we can examine the report and see if we can determine the root of the problem.


Feb 3, 2020 3:18 PM in response to vonlost

It means that Catalina is more sensitive to the quality of the RAM. We have have numerous users come to the ASC with complaints of problems that related to added RAM. In nearly all cases the added RAM was from sources other than Crucial.com and MacSales.com. Both suppliers test their modules in the model they are designed for and guarantee their compatibility.


Many users had no problems with their RAM until the got to Mojave or Catalina and then it all went south. They reported replacing the modules with some from the two suppliers noted above solved their problem.


So I'd say the source is experience.

Feb 3, 2020 7:19 PM in response to Old Toad

10.15.3 finally fixed both my Macbook Pro 2019 16 inch and my Macbook Pro 2018 6c Vega 20. They were both suffering from sleep restarts (windowservice timeouts) when connected to 2 4K monitors with one monitor on each machine connected through a thunderbolt 3 hub.


It was the most annoying restart bug in 36 years of using Macs (since the first Mac in 1984). This has been more painful than going to PowerPC or to Intel or to 32-bit everywhere. (moving to 64-bit only in Catalina) - I only had to walk away from the computer. I can only hope this is figured out if/when they move to ARM for some machines. What Apple has to remember is to NOT release software if it is not completely stable. This is the reason we did not use Windows in the first place. We want the ability to not have our creativity interrupted by our operating system. It should just work whether we are creating music, movies, art, books, plays, photographs, or code. Apple please listen to this group of disgruntled users because the pain is real. It is sad when Windows 10 just works and Mac OS does not.

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