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AirPods Pro adaptive EQ and high-frequency warble

The AirPods Pro are so far a bit hit-and-miss for me. Compared to the AirPods 2, I really like the silicone tips that now keep these earbuds in my ears—I had to use after-market add-ons to keep the AirPods 2 in place and sounding decent. I'd like to take advantage of both the Transparency and Noise-Reduction modes of the new AirPods Pro when I'm walking outside or in a noisy restaurant, but the Adaptive EQ screws things up. I'd love to use the features of the AirPods Pro, but just turn off the Adaptive EQ function or, as a compromise, freeze its settings after I've put the AirPods Pro in my ears. Here's the deal:


It seems the Adaptive EQ is doing it's best to figure out what EQ settings will be best for me by listening to the sound in my ear canal. Sure, it seems to work when sitting still, but the Adaptive EQ is always adapting—200 times per second according to Apple's promotional materials. I have to ask: Why? What is the point of changing the EQ up to 200 times per second? Doesn't it make more sense to just set the EQ when the AirPods Pro are inserted and then just leave it there? After all, my ears are my ears and don't really change much. It's not like these AirPods Pro are being swapped around between 200 different people with different ear profiles every second. It's just me wearing them without touching them.


The problem that happens is that, while walking, running, or even chewing food, these actions are causing small movements of either the AirPods Pro, the shape of my ear canal, or both. For example, with each footstep, the AirPods Pro might jiggle just a little bit. The super-sensitive Adaptive EQ seems to detect this as a change in my ear canal and attempts to quickly modify the EQ for that moment—a fleeting moment as the AirPods Pro go right back to their normal positions a faction of a second later.


When it comes to high frequency audio waves, 1/200th of a second is an eternity. While updating the EQ profile 200 times a second might be sufficient for transparently-adapting low frequencies, it's not good enough for adapting high frequencies. The result of this system is that there's this horribly-annoying warble or flutter in the high frequencies that's reminiscent of a worn-out cassette tape (remember those?) or MP3s encoded at really low bitrates with every step I take. If the music has exceptionally clear high-frequencies, like nice cymbals or very airy reverb, then this problem is extremely noticeable. The obvious test: just play back some white noise and try walking or chewing food with either the Transparency or Noise-Reduction modes on—you'll immediately hear the white noise start to flutter as the Adaptive EQ struggles to keep up with the tiny changes that are occurring in the ear canal.


But there's no point in the Adaptive EQ doing any of this. If you turn off the Noise-Reduction and Transparency modes, this also turns off the Adaptive EQ and then audio sounds absolutely fine! There's no weird warbling and audio sounds pretty darned good. I can walk and chew with no ill effects to the audio at all. So adapting the EQ in realtime isn't necessary at all for good sound and it would be a godsend to be able to turn that aspect of the AirPods Pro off—or at least isolate this feature to only the low-frequency ranges where the algorithm can keep up with changes in these longer waveforms.


For the time being, I can only use the Noise-Reduction mode when sitting at my desk in the office. This is a bit handy as it does reduce the ambient rumble in the place (though all high-frequency sounds—like the esses when people talk, for example—still come right through) but that's really the only place I can use it. Short of Apple allowing the option to disable this feature, I think I'm going to have to wait for some better third-party tips to come out, like the memory foam types that will fill more of the ear canal and hold the AirPods Pro more securely in place so they don't move when walking.


Anybody else hearing this problem?




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Posted on Nov 13, 2019 3:27 PM

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Posted on Nov 17, 2019 1:03 PM

The Ear Tip Fit Test passes with all three sizes (small, medium, and large), but none of the tips solve the issue. The foolproof solution, as I mentioned above, would be to turn off the Adaptive EQ after the AirPods Pro have been put in the ears. Allow the Adaptive EQ to work for a few moments after the AirPods Pro are inserted so they can determine the correct profile, then freeze that profile until they're taken out again. There's no actual need to be constantly re-evaluating the EQ in the ear while they're being worn. And, like I also said, turning off the Noise-Cancelation and Transparency modes also turns off the Adaptive EQ, and then the problem of the high-frequency fluttering goes away. The audio sounds great then.

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Jan 7, 2020 12:24 PM in response to skanter123

Many times with the support, and also on the phone. Result: they see no problems because few such lifts ...


I even sent them an audio example, I just posted it on Youtube in unlisted if you want to have an idea. It is obviously exaggerated but from 28s it is relatively faithful to what I have in my ears when I move.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkROJ1dEmUk

Jan 7, 2020 2:53 PM in response to OmskInfo

Ah, I've been experiencing the same issue and was driving myself crazy trying to figure out the cause. I like your idea of a setting that would run the adaptive EQ thing once and then lock in the profile until the AirPods are removed or failing that, a way to disable adaptive EQ entirely while still allowing the other modes. The other thing I'm curious about -- and I can't think of a way to test this until third party tips are available -- is that memory foam tips may help with this a bit as they will be more forgiving of small changes in the ear canal such as when chewing. Here's hoping a firmware update, or third party tips help move this forward soon.

Jan 14, 2020 10:39 AM in response to skanter123

I have really been enjoying the 75t's but I had an urge to try the Airpod Pros again as they are slightly more comfortable and I don't know - I just feel like I should like them(??). I thought that using different ear tip sizes in each ear would resolve the problem and they seemed to be working great the first day - I was ready to keep them. Brought them to our office today and boom, the fluttering/faint muffling returned - turn your head exposing the microphones to a different area and it changes the muffling sound. It's most prevalent when listening to talk radio or videos. It has to be the noise cancellation overreacting (in my case to people talking, mice/keyboard clicking and our central air system white noise) - I don't recall experiencing this in a quiet setting - I no longer think the fit/seal of the buds is what causes it - its just a flat out software issue with the noise cancellation.


The Jabra 75t's officially reign supreme in my book. They connect and maintain connection as well as the Airpods, are considerably cheaper, sound fuller with a lot more (but modifiable) bass, have a higher IP rating, come with a 2 year warranty at no additional cost, are comfortable, have easier & more useful controls (volume controls) and they physically block out as much noise and even more so voices than the Airpod Pros with NC on - oh, and they don't have this annoying noise cancellation fluttering/muffling issue.

Jan 19, 2020 8:30 AM in response to OmskInfo

I appreciate Apple’s attempts to automate noise reduction and EQ settings automatically.

However we are not all built the same.

we have different needs. My hearing is deteriorating. I have tried othe music players with multi band equalizers. So so results.

I am looking into adapting my iPhone/AirPods Pro into a hearing aid. can do easily but I would lose spectrum. Hearing aid software is focused on voice bandwidth. Very narrow.


But I am an audiophile. I want the capability to adjust the ‘boost’ by frequency band manually for many bands- maybe 10? Not 3.


Apple needs to give the user greater control. Not just on/off but also an EQ.

Jan 24, 2020 3:27 AM in response to OmskInfo

Mine don’t do what you are saying but the do make a nonstop clicking noise. It stops my music, changes the song, starts the song over, and it turns on and off from noise cancellation to transparency mode. It’s very very annoying and I’ve tried all the ear tips. It doesn’t do

it when everything is off though. Can someone please help.

Jan 24, 2020 10:47 AM in response to OmskInfo

I am on my second set of AirPods Pros. This clicking problem, presumably with the adaptive EQ, started happening on both sets after I paired them to a second device. It’s clicking just in my right ear on both sets. I don’t see how pairing to multiple devices would make any difference to the AirPods internal EQ, but I thought I’d post my findings.

Jan 25, 2020 6:55 PM in response to OmskInfo

I also have an issue with my pros, for me, the bass quality changes from time to time when I put them in. Sometimes the bass will basically be non existent in songs and the higher range will sound tinny, but then if I take them out and put them back in then it’s fine. Then there’s other times where I put them in and the bass is a lot louder and more like AirPods 1-2 but if I take them out and put them back in, then it goes back to normal(not saying that’s necessarily better, I tend to like more bass). Only reason I’m posting here is because I’m assuming this is an eq issue aswell.

Feb 2, 2020 2:07 AM in response to BigZ12

Ah no, I also tested like you with these mosses and others but it never worked, the warble was always present. No there, these are other tips of which I cut the rounded part only then glued the Symbio tips on the base of the reds (I had to do it in several times because not easy that it fits everywhere at once) but otherwise I have the NC activated, and I can have a little warble only when I move my head like crazy, but like really crazy, walk, chew, run ... there it's ok.


I don't understand, why did you cut them at an angle? Are you using a Symbio W size L with a size M tip?

Feb 3, 2020 5:02 AM in response to KayneGiordano

I got a seal with S tips and Symbio foam. Maybe a little less warble actually, but still loud thumping while walking and too much treble warble. (Edit: with ANC ON, just to make clear)

Hope the (hopefully soon) forthcoming update will fix a little, and at least give the same bass with ANC OFF, so I can use the APPs walking/moving. Now it's just good for sitting still with ANC ON. :(


PS: I hope Comply will offer some good foam tips soon. On other in-ears, Comply foam always limits both thumping and changes in sound while chewing/moving etc. It also limits the "vacuum-feel" you have with silicone tips.

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