Episodes 5 of Apple TV+ shows have no Dolby Vision

Hi.


I have watched the 4 first episodes of See, The Morning Show and For All Mankind with my Apple TV 4K on a 2018 LG OLED.


They were in Dolby Vision+Atmos.


Episodes 5 of those shows are only in HDR but no Dolby Vision. (but they have Atmos).

My setup is correct since I can still watch the 4 1st episodes of these shows in Dolby Vision.


Anyone having the same issue?

What is the process to have Apple correct this?

(Iwent to apple.com/feedback but this pages does not know iOS 13, iPadOS, Catalina or the Apple TV app, so I left feedback to the Apple Music team!).


Thanks in advance and have a great day.

Apple TV 4K, tvOS 13

Posted on Nov 15, 2019 11:54 AM

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Nov 22, 2019 2:41 AM in response to jerome1989

Episodes 6 are out and present the same issue as episodes 5 on Apple TV: my Dolby Vision switches to HDR10 when playing them (I only tried TMS) with Match Dynamic Range ON.


On my iPhone (XS Max) I could not find a way to check the dynamic range mode used.

However, I could on my iPad (mini 2019), and all episodes, including 5 and 6, are listed as Dolby Vision.


So I did a little digging using the Playback HUD (head-up display) which you can enable in the Apple TV's developper menu (you need a Mac and Xcode for that I believe), turning on and of Match Dynamic Range and forcing the display output to Dolby Vision, HDR10 or SDR.

Here's what I found:

  • all episodes of Apple TV+ shows (See, The Morning Show, For All Mankind) are encoded in SDR and Dolby Vision but there is no HDR10 version. That is true for all episodes, including episodes 5 and 6,
  • when displaying to SDR, the SDR version is used,
  • when displaying to HDR10, the Dolby Vision version is used and probably converted to HDR10 by the Apple TV,
  • when displaying to Dolby Vision, the Dolby Vision version is used,
  • for episodes 1 to 4, with Dolby Vision and Match Dynamic Range enabled, the output correctly switches to Dolby Vision,
  • for episodes 5 and 6, with Dolby Vision and Match Dynamic Range enabled, the output incorrectly switches to HDR10.


This might be a temporary workaround for the Dolby Vision glitch on some older Dolby Vision capable TVs.

I think it is most probably a bug, whether in the production of the encoded files, or less probably in tvOS or the Apple TV app.


So:

  • The fact that HDR10 output is produced from the Dolby Vision version might explain the lower quality (it seems to be the same for all Apple TV/ iTunes Store content with a Dolby Vision version so the situation should not be different here)
  • I wonder how Dolby Vision content is processed in the TV app on devices not supporting Dolby Vision, such as Samsung TVs
  • I am going to file a bug with Apple,
  • There is a workaround: I will force Dolby Vision (turn Match Dynamic Range Off) on my Apple Tv to watch Apple TV+ shows until this is resolved (unless the image produced is awful). I strongly recommend to turn Match Dynamic Range back on for other content, otherwise blacks in SDR content appear as grey.


Have a great day!

:-)



Here is how episode 6 of TMS is output with Dolby Vision and Match Dynamic Range ON. You can see on the first line that the video file used is on Dolby Vision (it displays HDR10 or SDR for HDR10 or SDR).

Nov 25, 2019 9:13 AM in response to jerome1989

Very interesting facts. I have both a Samsung 4k HDR TV and a LG OLED with Dolby Vision. Obviously the Picture Quality is absolutely amazing on the OLED with Dolby Vision enabled and I was blown away just after AppleTV+ launched. Starting with Episode 5 of “SEE” however, I noticed quite a downgrade in lighting and general contrast. Soon found out that Apple are having serious issues and a complete messed up library of HDR/DolbyVision titles.

there is more over here:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250882137


Don’t go looking for settings on your TV’s it’s absolutely 100% an Issue on Apple’s streaming service. If this doesn’t get resolved, I’m definitely not renewing the subscription after the free trial ends as this is AppleTV+’s biggest selling point for me and other people who own premium TV’s.

Dolby Vision has to come back - and we all know it worked perfectly the first couple of days after launch.

Nov 16, 2019 1:59 AM in response to jerome1989

I’m seeing the same thing. The programme information screen before choosing to play still says Dolby Vision for episode 5 of all of them, but playback is definitely HDR10.

Picture quality isn’t quite as good either, there is slightly more picture noise than the Dolby Vision episodes. It’s not enough to make it unwatchable, but it’s sad to see. I don’t understand why picture quality is suffering.

I’m hoping it’s a glitch and will be sorted soon.


Nov 16, 2019 4:19 AM in response to Andrew1472

I've had no issues with Dolby Vision playback on any of the shows on my LG B7 OLED either. Seems kind of overkill to completely remove Dolby Vision as some sort of "fix", and the fact that it remains on the first four episodes suggests it's actually an error of some kind.


Incidentally The Morning Show in Australia had episode 5 in Dolby Vision - we get a different encode as the show has a different title here. That further suggests that what's going on is an error.


I'll hold off watching See and For All Mankind for a few days and see (ha!) if Apple comes up with a fix for it.


Nov 16, 2019 4:20 AM in response to Andrew1472

As oneandonlypgc mentioned, this is probably due to issues with Dolby Vision with AppleTV+/Apple TV 4K on some TVs.

So it seems Apple has noticed and will fix it in some way or another.

Very probably we will get Dolby Vision back when they have a fix.


Maybe we still have Dolby Vision on iPhone and iPad, where Apple controls the whole chain.


A secondary issue is that the HDR10 versions seem to have significantly lower quality than the Dolby Vision versions, as if everything has been mastered for Dolby Vision, and the HDR10 version is just a derivative, an afterthought.


Nov 16, 2019 7:09 AM in response to jerome1989

I’m pleased someone else has noticed the quality. I was beginning to think it was just me.

I suspect it would be fine if a native HDR10 version was uploaded. As it is the ATV is converting Dolby Vision I think and not making a particularly good job of it. I had very similar picture quality issues using an Amazon Firestick for TV+ which is restricted to HDR10 only.

Apple are losing a major selling point if they don’t fix this fast.


Nov 22, 2019 8:16 AM in response to jerome1989

A couple of things to add.

Firstly all episodes from ep1 to 6 of everything except Dickinson are now HDR10. Dickinson remains as Dolby Vision for now at least.

Secondly, devices other than the Apple TV appear to get no HDR at all. Certainly my Amazon Fire TV is stuck at SDR only.


Your screenshot above is extremely useful so thanks for posting it, and your workaround is so blindingly obvious that I cant believe I hadn’t tried it. Anyway I’ve tried it now and while I can’t say for sure if it’s working perfectly without a way of comparing to when it was all working correctly, but it certainly looks one **** of a lot better than the downgrade to HDR10.

Take a bow my friend and thank you.

Nov 22, 2019 8:58 AM in response to jerome1989

The interesting thing with all of this is that for the second week in a row, The Morning Show *does* play in Dolby Vision in Australia - where it had to be returned “Morning Wars” and therefore would need to be encoded separately. It of course plays back fine in Dolby Vision, just like everything else did before the downgrade.


This indicates to me that the drop to HDR10 is *not* Apple working around a bug with the tiny number of TVs that had problems with Dolby Vision.


I’d say it’s far more likely to be a problem in the encoding chain.


I do wish Apple would offer an explanation.


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