MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise

A machine is not "broken" if it doesn't work the way you prefer it to.

It is operating, and if you'd like to point me to the specification it is not meeting, I would happy to concede that point.

"The fans are running" is not a sign that it is "broken," nor is a third party utility reporting a value from a temperature sensor that may well be of dubious accuracy.

DPJ wrote:

William means that you're no longer burdened by dealing with THIS issue that you see as an issue and you're free to move on to some other type of Mac or a different brand of computer to satisfy your needs

I don't get why you and William are so defensive about it. With enough complaints, Apple did put the physical Escape key back on all their latest Macbooks even if it was not an issue per se. Don't you also want Apple to make better products? Why are you downplaying this issue so hard?

unless you just want to sit here for 6 more months talking about this?

Is the condescending undertone really necessary? Atleast I'm rooting for a change for the better and not telling the others to just accept "how it was designed" for the last 6 months.

William Kucharski wrote:

By allowing you to return it, Apple has solved your issue.

Yes I was lucky enough to notice the noise before my 15 days return period, what about the others in this thread? I feel sorry for them if they notice the noise and are now stuck with it.

DPJ,

The cat is out of the bag this is a big issue plaguing a lot of loyal Apple loving customers like myself. We are currently visiting a discussion board entitled “ 16 inch Fan noise”

So we are here discussing it ?

why does this board exist? I’ve been told by Genius Bar employees that this is a great place to discuss ongoing issues?

what do you want us to talk about without getting a shellacking from you?

Apple may be re-working software related to MacBook Pro battery use, according to information in the trade press. This could have some implications for power/noise/battery-life for this model as well. But it is not here yet, so we will have to wait and see what is actually produced.

TimUzzanti wrote:

When customers buy Apple they kind of expect it to just work. Most of our customers aren't interested in hacks, workarounds or things that artificially slow down their computer.

1) Don't install iStat

2) Ignore the fans or wear headphones if you must

Hey, it just works without the need to change any settings!

ogmaxx wrote:

I agree , had mines for two weeks battery life is garbage

Have you left it charging all night long? The battery-life and other issues "fix" for its little brother is a convoluted process described in this article:

If your MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2019, Two Thunderbolt 3 ports) keeps shutting down - Apple Support

This process appears to adjust the "full point" upwards, allowing deeper charges, and longer battery life.

Naw I never leaving it charging all night , I learned the hard way before wit my iPhone . I let it get a full charge , but when I’m on it I’ll be surfing the web for like 2 hours and the battery will be just getting chewed up like I’m running all the apps at one time . I turn down brightness and every other battery saver idea I can think of. Hopefully the next update will help out

"Naw I never leaving it charging all night "

It's designed to be plugged in constantly. People connect their MacBooks to external monitors, external drives and run a full business daily with power apps. There's no way it can survive on battery doing that.

raimiss wrote:

... no modern cpu will shut itself down because of heat even if ran without the fan.

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Your statement as written is NOT accurate.

Every Intel CPU produced in the last decade or more will do an emergency power-down if its internal temperature gets too high.

I've had modern processors shutdown due to heat (too much or too little thermal paste could cause this).

BTW Nobody participating on this thread is deleting comments. We've all had some removed.

The 16" MBP is a fantastic machine for me. It's just too bad others are not having as good experience as I have had.

Oh how i wish you were so enthusiastic about answering the questions 10-15 pages ago like u were here with pointing me i was wrong :)

i’m wrong, yes modern cpu indeed has failure shut down in them, buuuut they will downclock first. From all the cases that i know that had thermal paste failure on a laptop (it can dry out and crack) it will downclock to a stall, but it won’t shut down. Shutting itself down is extremely edge case that only happens on catastrophic failure of components. Saying device does not overheat unless it thermally shuts itself down is like saying you are fine with your body temp unless you die and we all know its not the case.

And to make this simple, lets return to some of my original questions :)

William you are huge fan of evidence given how often you ask others to provide some. Can you provide some design doc that would confirm that this machine was designed to use 20w on 60HZ and 5w on 160HZ on BOTH HDMI and DP interfaces? (HDMI on freesync monitor, DP on gsync monitor)? Unless you do, let's agree that this is illogical (if you question this statement, please also provide some paper on how more work resulting in less energy is logical ;)) and this alone suggests that machine is broken.

Your comments that it is ridiculous for the computer to use "X" amount of power to do "Y" are also just pulled from thin air, unless you can show design documents showing this particular power draw is unexpected for AMD Radeon Pro 5000M GPUs.

Lol. I'm just following laws of physics where more work results in more energy (160hz is more work than 60hz). You somehow try to prove that apple intentionally designed the machine to break those laws. Moreover you expect everyone to accept that ridiculous claim with no evidence. I am more than happy to accept that if you provide some evidence. If not, i'll just stick to basic physics and call that broken.

Or is "works worse" simply "the fans are louder than I would like?"

If nothing else, it consumes more electricity, which by itself is definition of "working worse". Or is that also considered being "better" in your world?

EDIT:

Grant Bennet-Alder has been great about posting details about VRAM clocking and how more power is needed to drive displays and resolutions requiring heartbeat or where the entire screen must be refreshed each display interval.

Indeed he was and it made sense (to some degree) when trying to explain why HDMI results in high power usage whereas DP does not. However now I have a freesync monitor which runs lower power on 144hz over HDMI interface. Same monitor on same interface just running 60hz also results in 20w so heartbeat theory kinda starts to fall apart.

The power consumption reminds me of something else that doesn't make sense at first look. If you have a drone and all you do is have it hover in place it has a shorter time in the air - generally 15-20% - than having it fly. Why? I don't quite get it but it's true. A drone uses more power just "idling" than it does actually going somewhere.