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iTunes changing star ratings

After the most recent iTunes update (12.8.2.3 running on a 27"iMac operating on High Sierra 10.13.6 ) I found that iTunes had made two very bad changes to many of the songs in my library. First, it seems to have picked a bunch of songs at random and filled them with gray stars that I cannot remove. Second, it has taken a bunch of song that I rated manually (blue stars) and changed them up or down. For examples I've found about 50 songs so far that I had rated with 4 stars that it changed to 3 stars, and some down to 2 stars or 1 star. This includes songs I have not played in several months, so there is no chance I accidentally changed them myself. How do I fix these two scourges? I have a bunch of smart playlists based on star ratings so this is changing their content.


By the way, I have over 34,000 songs (over 572 GB of music) so trying to fix this manually is going to take a lot of time, and I don't want it being done all over again.

iMac 27", macOS 10.12

Posted on Nov 23, 2019 4:22 PM

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Mar 22, 2020 12:33 PM in response to Simon Miller

My case is still open with Apple, though for some reason I have not heard back from my advisor since before the Super Bowl. However, I have been screenshotting everything in iTunes as I re-rate the tracks, album by album, and when a wipeout occurs I can go back and quickly fix everything. A couple of things I have noticed. First, when a wipeout occurs, it almost always happens when I plug in my iPod to sync (never so far with an iPhone or iPad), and only when I have listened to music on that iPod (I have 2). Second, it does not wipe out ratings every time I sync; there is still no discernible pattern beyond the fact that it is more likely to happen when the launch of iTunes by connecting an iPod takes place—but even then it’s not absolute. Third, it tends to go back and wipe out ratings from albums I have most recently re-rated ( after setting my library completely back to zero). It mostly wipes out four and five star ratings but will sometimes zero out a lesser rated track. It also tends to pick on some albums and tracks more than others for unknown reasons. Finally, it occasionally has a mega-wipeout where it not only resets tracks to zero, it actually changes the ratings of tracks (such as 4 to 2 or 1 to 5). It also will assign ratings to tracks I had left at zero, as well as sometimes moving forward in the library to sprinkle random ratings on tracks I have not yet reached in the re-rating process. These are much harder to spot and so I have had to do a lot of special tracking to find and fix all of this.


I will post again when I have more info.

Mar 22, 2020 1:13 PM in response to Don Eccles

So when I posted earlier, I was still using the oldschool method of syncing my phone with itunes and only loading selected playlists, most which were ratings based, and avoiding syncing with iCloud, cause I feared what a mess that would make of things


Since then I figured if it was going to break all my playlists anyway, I might as well bite the bullet and sync them with icloud, so I could at least start adding new music again through Apple Music.


As expected that created a new mess, but may have figured out a few things.


1) Seems most of my regular playlists were fairly intact on both my computer and phone, but my ratings based and other smart playlists were missing tons of songs on my phone. They were all mostly there on the computer, but only about 50% or less of them transferred to my phone.


Trying to figure out a pattern it seemed most of the songs that made it to my phone where ones I had originally loaded from CD. But there were some exceptions that I know I don't own on CD that did sync to the phone also. My guess on those is that I occasionally bought songs from Amazon and for a while had an alternate itunes account that I had bought tunes from. I theorize that maybe these didn't have a problem because they weren't connected to my linked icloud account.


The other thing I found out, and what has possibly salvaged my system, is that if you rerate the itunes purchased songs, they would then resync, not just to the ratings based playlists, but to any other smart playlists they were in.


So with plenty of time on my hands in lockdown, I went through starting with the 5 stars, and erased and then reset the rating on every song and they instantly synced to my phone.


I noticed a few turn back to gray right away, but made them blue again, and that seems to have stuck.


Also noticed a few songs popping up as duplicates after I do this (a song from its original album, then a duplicate from a greatest hits), and a few that inexplicably won't sync with the cloud version.


But for the most part its a somewhat workable system again, and now I don't really have to sync my playlists with my phone directly, and I can finally also add new songs into an icloud playlist, rate them, and have them show up in my rated playlists.


I'll let you know what other problems crop up or what else I discover.

Apr 13, 2020 3:08 PM in response to Don Eccles

I did hear from another person who is having this trouble too. However, they are syncing their iPhone with the Windows version of iTunes, not the Mac version. So whatever is causing this is in code that is common to both versions. Also, I’ve seen the crash happen now for three days in a row, and two of those three days it wiped out exactly the same track ratings but separated by a day, i.e. on day 1 it wiped out 34 tracks, on day 2 it wiped out 15 different tracks, and on day 3 it wiped out again the same 34 tracks as day one and nothing else. This leads me to think it has something to do with checking an older version of the library on startup and not the latest version with the newer ratings. More work on this continues.

Apr 19, 2020 1:01 AM in response to Simon Miller

I just finished cleaning up from a really horrifying crash, which took me a week to completely restore. I’ve learned that there’s two different versions of this rating change behavior.


The first and more common (for me) kind is when plugging in an iPod causes iTunes to selectively erase the ratings of a few tracks that were recently rated. Since the rebuilding of my rating system involves listening to each track individually, it is fairly easy to track. By keeping a running count of how many total tracks have ratings assigned, I can tell when stuff has reset to unrated and the screenshots make it easy to go back and fix them. The deeper I get into the ratings, the more that window shifts to follow those recent tracks.


The second and rarer sort of crash is when it goes through the entire library and changes hundreds of tracks in various ways. In addition to wiping some tracks to unrated, it changes star ratings around either at random or in pairs. For example, if four given tracks in order were rated 4, 3, 2, 1 it might swap them to 1, 2, 3, 4. It also assigns seemingly random ratings to unrated tracks, and it does this not only for “past” unrated tracks (one’s I’ve listened to but decided a zero rating was appropriate) but also “future” tracks that have not been listened to at all since I wiped the entire library to unrated in December of 2019 so I could start the rebuilding process fresh. I can tell, too, by looking at the “future” tracks that the ratings are not anything like they were in the past, meaning they are either random or they are based on some algorithm that has nothing to do my tastes based on prior ratings or play counts, etc.


I still have yet to hear from my Apple advisor so work continues on rebuilding and trying to isolate a definable cause.

May 17, 2020 8:56 PM in response to Don Eccles

Well all had been going well for a couple months. No more missing or changed ratings; once i synced my library to the cloud and fixed all the initial problems that caused, I was able to add any song from Apple Music, rate it, and have it show in my ratings based playlists.


But now, all of the sudden most of my main playlists are suddenly missing form my iphone. The 1 star and 2 star lists are there (basically the songs I rarely play). A few other random artist based lists and subscribed lists are there. But my most important 3, 4 & 5 start lists, as well as my Cloud list that contains all the new songs I have added from Apple Music are just gone. Still there on my computer, just gone from my phone.


So I guess another bunch of hours ahead of my trying to figure out WTF Apple Music is up to now.


Oh to have iTunes 1.0 back again.


May 18, 2020 1:08 AM in response to John Hall3

One thing I can add is that the process by which it decides to alter ratings is not random but instead is based on some sort of algorithm. Even with automatic ratings turned off, there are too many patterns for it to be coincidence.


First, it never adds ratings to unplayed songs. I have about sixty-odd albums in iTunes that I have not yet listened to and not once through multiple crashes has it ever assigned a star rating to an unplayed track. Given the number of crashes I have had since December and the ratio of played to unplayed tracks it is highly unlikely that they have all been safe at random.


Second, it tends to pick on certain tracks over and over. While the specific tracks altered vary with each crash, the spreadsheet I have been keeping with a log of these issues shows a definite repetition, especially the mega-crashes where it changes ratings as well as wiping stuff out. Some tracks have been screwed up by iTunes at least 5 times now.


Finally, it tends to swap the ratings of adjacent tracks more often than altering them out of the blue. If a certain track on an album is rated 5 stars and the following track is rated 3 stars, for example, after a mega-crash the 5 star track will get changed to 3 stars and the 3 star track will get changed to 5 stars. Again, this pattern shows up far more than chance would dictate.


Keeping screenshots of everything after it is rated is the only way I have found to put things back, and the more tracks I rate the longer the rebuild process takes. After 6 months I am barely over 10% of the way to getting the entire library fixed, and even at this stage a mega-crash takes a week of solid work to rebuild.


My Apple case worker told me that he was going to forward this link to the engineers, but I suspect opening a case on your own will add weight to the process. The more people who complain and open cases, the more attention Apple will give it.

May 18, 2020 4:08 AM in response to John Hall3

Yes - this has happened to me too. I have some playlists on my phone but a lot of them have disappeared. I've been tracking one smart playlist (which has tracks from a certain year which are rated above 4 stars). It's on my Mac but won't appear on my 'phone. Showing the iCloud Music Library status column I can see it contains two tracks which are only "uploaded" rather than "matched" (even though Music has correctly matched the right artwork for each track and all metadata matches the track in Apple Music). So I'm wondering if for some reason that's what's causing the playlists to stop syncing over to my phone.

Jun 10, 2020 12:57 PM in response to jimdhdhdhdh

iCloud Match is probably changing your other metadata too, so you will want to check that. Year was the most common one for me, which is why I stopped using it. I tried to call my case worker today but his mailbox is full so I cannot leave him a message but he knows other people are chiming in on this thread and has said he will let Engineering know about the issue. I then called Apple Support and tried to get an update but my call was misrouted twice and finally dropped, so I will just wait a few days and try again

Jun 30, 2020 11:38 AM in response to jimdhdhdhdh

When an album has been re-released with different cover art, or when there is a conflict between the art in different releases, Apple will substitute the one in its library for any one you might supply. This is also true for tracks, where there is a difference between US and other countries. For example, “Music That You Can Dance To” by Sparks lacks one of the tracks from the original US physical media release; the version on iTunes has a different track from one of the European releases. If you try to upload your album with iTunes Match, it replaces it in your library with the other track. This is very frustrating and was one reason I had to stop using it.

Jul 26, 2020 2:59 PM in response to Don Eccles

Its really just a constant battle trying to keep iTunes from destroying your carefully curated libraries. Thought I had the star issue and the Apple Music sync issues mostly worked out. Today I looked closer, and there are another couple dozen songs that suddenly have no star ratings, and also show with a broken cloud, meaning they won't sync to any of my devises through Apple Music. These were all songs I purchased as some point through Apple and last time I sorted this out were fine.. I COULD add them back to my library through Apple Music, and rerate them, but then I will lose my playcounts, and will have to delete the now broken version I paid for, or have duplicates to deal with. Just so annoying.

Jul 26, 2020 3:13 PM in response to John Hall3

There is a way to fix the play count issue through a script. You can manually change count back to the old value if you have a record of it first by the use of this:


https://dougscripts.com/itunes/2019/10/updated-new-play-count-v4-0/


As for star ratings being zeroed out, I still have no fix from Apple (or for star ratings being changed) except to reduce syncing with external devices and/or not closing and opening the iTunes library any more than necessary. The best way to deal with this is to open another case with Apple about this alongside mine. The more people who report this, the faster Apple will feel impelled to deal with it.

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