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16-inch MacBook Pro Bluetooth issue

I bought the new 16-inch MacBook Pro when it first came out and was happily using it until a week later my bluetooth stopped discovering devices, in particular my Magic Mouse and iPhone. I tried everything from resetting nvram, smc, resetting the bluetooth module, removing bluetooth.plist, downloaded bluetooth explorer and reset a bunch of settings etc and even went to the extent of completely formatting the computer and installing osx from scratch to no avail. Hardware diagnostics showed no hardware issues as well. The bluetooth device was showing up fine in System Report but it just wasn't discovering anything. I have a work laptop (2017 MacBook Pro) which I use side by side and it was working fine.


Long story short, I was able to replace the device at the Apple store I bought it at since it was within the 14 day return policy window. So I put it down to just being unlucky.


It's been a few weeks since then and I now have the same issue with the replacement laptop. This time though I think I know what triggered it.


I have a CalDigit dock that I use for my work laptop and occasionally have a usb bluetooth device attached to it for some work I do in virtual machines. The issue occurred when I connected my new MacBook to the dock along with the bluetooth dongle. The usb bluetooth dongle worked fine however when I disconnected the thunderbolt dock from the MacBook I noticed the bluetooth icon in the top right hand corner changed to an icon with a zigzag across it, obviously due to bluetooth device being disconnected.


Since disconnecting the external bluetooth device I'm having the same issue as I had previously, my MacBook Bluetooth device won't find any devices and is not recognized by other bluetooth devices like my iPhone/other MacBooks. I've gone through the whole process as before, and have resorted to a clean install of osx to no avail. I've even compared bluetoothd console logs between the working MacBook I have and the now broken one, the only difference is the working MacBook is able to detect devices when they are advertised, whereas the MacBook Pro 16-inch does not.


Digging into this, it seems as though OSX by default switches to any attached USB bluetooth device when it's plugged in and then when disconnected, it reverts back to the onboard device. This works fine on my old MacBook as I've been using the USB dongle for a while now without any issues. I initially thought that there may be a software issue with the internal bluetooth device not switching back properly but I would have thought a clean install would have fixed it so there must be some sort of hardware issue specifically with the new MacBook Pro 16-inch.


I'm pretty frustrated now as I've now gone through two 16-inch MacBook Pro's with bricked bluetooth devices that I'm fairly certain was caused by connecting an external bluetooth dongle via thunderbolt. I'm pretty sure onboard devices shouldn't die just because a third party device was connected/disconnected.


Has anyone come across this yet with the new MacBook Pro 16-inch? I'm going to visit the Apple store tomorrow to see what they can do but I'd prefer if I didn't have to send my laptop away and just find a fix myself if there is one. If not, I thought it'd be good to post my experience here in case anyone else comes across this.

MacBook Pro 16", macOS 10.15

Posted on Dec 14, 2019 2:09 AM

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Posted on Jul 6, 2020 5:25 AM

Here is a summary of the whole thread:


TL;DR:


  • It's apparently possible to unfix the problem with a BT 2.0 dongle
  • For those that are scared to break it again (after logic board replacement OR BT 2.0 fix), they can run a NVRAM command to never switch BT controllers again (need to re-run after NVRAM reset):


sudo nvram bluetoothHostControllerSwitchBehavior="never"


Might be best to put that in a startup script and only change if needed.


  • It seems to have to do with Power Management and seemingly a EFI firmware bug introduced in Catalina as it's not possible to break Mojave in the same way.


So in summary it's several factors that came together here to create this bug:


  • a) A likely firmware bug in the EFI in Catalina.
  • b) A pretty unsafe default for switching Bluetooth controllers - which most users likely don't want anyway.
  • c) Maybe: A CSR USB controller using the exact same chip as the internal one. (if I am able to unbreak my device, I will try to re-break with a Broadcom 4.0 device, too)


Long version:


I have been bitten by the Bluetooth bug, too that breaks the internal Bluetooth module on Mac Book Pro 16inch if you accidentally plug in an USB CSR 4.0 Bluetooth dongle.


  • It seems to not happen on Mojave - so it's also related to a driver bug in Catalina regarding power management.
  • It happens in the first place because the nvram default behavior is to switch over to external Bluetooth by default.


The symptom is:


  • The Bluetooth chip gets too little power and hence fails to connect to devices and if it does connection is spotty. While on MacBook Pro 16inch it completely fails, other Macs can have bad Bluetooth behavior that is "spotty".


  • The solution of AppleRepair so far has been to completely replace the logic board, which fixes it till the next Dongle is plugged in and obviously is quite costly for a pure software bug.


Several observations:


  • The current theory is that the internal firmware mixes up the external CSR chip for it's own and saves the power requirement of the external chip (which is less as its powered by BT) and then uses this for the internal chip.


  • a) It is highly debatable to make the switch over to external dongle the default for all users if the functionality is usually only wanted by a handful of developers that develop Bluetooth LE applications. In fact it also breaks it for iOS developers and everyone that wants to use a Dongle to use with a VM:



  • Fortunately that is easily remedied with a nvram command to change the behavior. It would be great if Apple changed this in the next minor Catalina release by default to not switch over to external Bluetooth automatically, but make it an option to select the Controller (like you can do with Bluetooth Explorer). The setting could be stored and automatically be applied after every reboot to what the user configured. That would prevent the bug in probably most user cases until a proper fix can be found.


  • b) It is unclear if a pure software fix could fix this as per the reports the issue remains once it has happened even if you boot into Windows / Bootcamp. However it is seemingly possible (per the above accepted answer) to unfix that issue with an older CSR Bluetooth 2.0 dongle. This probably helps, because it has a different power requirement as it predates Bluetooth LE and hence the MacBook FW gives the internal Bluetooth chip more power again.


  • c) Someone tried to port the Bluetooth drivers from Catalina to Mojave and it did not work.This points to the fact that it likely is an EFI / soft FW update that broke this in Catalina and not a pure software bug.


Overall it seems Apple would have several ways to fix / work around this:


  • Fix the EFI to fix the PM bug. (that gives hope that it can be fixed 100% and also restored affected devices without logic board replacement)
  • If that fix takes a while to do, at least change the default and put out a changelog for those few that need to use an external Bluetooth dongle to replace the internal one.
  • Create a program that does whatever the diagnostics on the Apple Wifi in the repair shop does to reset the firmware to sane values.
  • Create a device to emulate the USB behavior of a 2.0 Bluetooth device to fix broken devices [unlikely as that is].


In theory VirtualHere + ZeroTier could be used to share a BT 2.0 dongle from one machine on the internet to another one and unbreak something remotely. (not sure if that would work in practice though as emulation is not perfect. Though I know that Bluetooth over Internet works well as that is ironically how I broke my BT in the first place as I needed a dongle for bluetooth-over-internet)

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Oct 25, 2020 4:12 PM in response to christospappas

I'm also facing this issue since accidentally connecting an old BT dongle I had inserted into the USB ports of an old monitor that I had to connect to my macbook.

Instant BT failure.


Also, I'm on a 13" MBP from 2019 (the one with the 4 thunderbolt ports from March I think).


However, none of the fixes claimed here have worked for me. I don't know if the issue is my BT dongle (actually, the one that caused the issue in the first place) or if I'm doing something wrong, but nothing has fixed it for me.

Can anyone double-check the dongle?


Oct 30, 2020 2:29 PM in response to christospappas

As others have pointed out, do notice however that while bluetooth is back to a working state, System Report still says that the WLCore versions are null, that the Airport Utility is not installed and the Bluetooth Explorer still references the -3903 error..



I've tried reinstalling the last update but the error still persists. Did anyone manage to get rid of the error by reinstalling MacOS? Even if totally wiping the disk is required?

Jan 18, 2020 6:30 AM in response to christospappas

I had exactly the same problem (down to every detail) and I think I just found a solution.


I'm also using a CalDigit dock and USB bluetooth stick and I'm on my second MBP 16. The first was replaced under AppleCare after the bluetooth module became apparently dead.


The built-in bluetooth came back to life by running system diagnostics (hold down D during boot). After the subsequent restart, without the USB bluetooth adapter attached, I noticed that bluetooth was seeing some devices in the area but still not connecting to anything. I deleted and re-paired my Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Keyboard 2 - now all is working again.

Jan 19, 2020 2:49 PM in response to christospappas

Thanks for sharing Simon, have tried running the Diagnostics and deleting the bluetooth devices and repeering and it didn't working for me.

For others that are interested I have a support ticket open with Apple and have provided diagnostics and logs to help troubleshoot the issue.

Still running my extra dongle for now, will share what I find !

Jan 21, 2020 3:23 PM in response to christospappas

Same issue here. When I open "About this Mac -> System Report -> Bluetooth", I am seeing "Discoverable: Off" and "Connectable: No" - this seems strange. These turns into "On" and "Yes" when I enable Bluetooth sharing, but it does not resolve the issue. Still no devices could be connected to Bluetooth. Even external bluetooth dongles does not work.

Jan 22, 2020 4:06 AM in response to christospappas

I don't exactly have identical problem, however I found that MBP 16' Bluetooth's issues are heat related. Whenever machine heats up, Bluetooth starts to lag and/or disconnect. It's especially irritating when using Magic Keyboard, since it's input starts to lag a fair bit under load. For instance - it's virtually unusable during export of photos from Lightroom and for a while afterwards.

Jan 25, 2020 3:17 PM in response to LucasKotkowski

Latest update from Apple Support recommended removing an App related to RS232, a Kernel extension and trying a clean install.

Removed the app and FTDI kernel extension, restarted and cleared the NVRAM and the bluetooth is still not working.

It did fix the issue where in the sys info the wrong vendor showed up in the bluetooth section.

Next did a new install on the same MBP using an external hard disk, ( no apps or extra drivers installed ) and it still cannot detect any bluetooth devices.

Also tried the suggestion above of diag mode and deleting all the devices etc, did not make a difference.


Jan 30, 2020 11:51 PM in response to christospappas

I have the exact same problem with my Macbook Pro 16 inch. Did SMC reset, NVRAM reset, diagnostics said everything was fine. I ran the bluetooth explorer tool from the xcode additional tools and the Bluetooth module was just gone. Very weird, went to the Apple Store and the guy looked at me and said: I never have seen this problem ever before 😅. They are going to do diagnostics now and I hope they will come with a solution, because it is only 4 weeks old.

Feb 4, 2020 6:06 AM in response to shawken

Hi, I got an update from the Apple Store. Turned out it is indeed a hardware problem and they are going to replace the whole logic board now. That should definitely fix the problem. But I am kind of scared to use the Bluetooth dongle again. I saw a terminal command you could execute to prevent the Bluetooth controller from switching automatically, but not sure if that works. I have to wait now until they have replace the logic board. Hope they are fast

Feb 4, 2020 2:49 PM in response to Swift3004

Thanks, Apple Support has said its a hardware issue to me too. Booked in at an Apple Repair Center for them to look at it on Friday. I suspect it will be the same approach of replacing the logic board.

I found a project that will reflash the Broadcom Bluetooth module. Its a bit complex and so getting some help, will let people know if it helps - https://github.com/the-darkvoid/BrcmPatchRAM

Feb 6, 2020 4:42 PM in response to shawken

Latest updated, and its good news !

Booked in to a Apple Authorised Repair centre, fully expecting my MBP 16 to need to spend a few days with them and parts to come from Australia to NZ.

The service guy was super helpful and ran two diagnostics on it - one called EFI and the other Mac Resource Inspector.

These are only accessible via the special WiFi network in store and not the same as we can access by holding D while booting.

They both upload results to Apples support tools for the repair centre to see online and he showed me the results.

It said the Bluetooth Module passed and the MAC address was sane.

Then after a clean boot and a delete of the /Library/Preferences/com.apple.Bluetooth.plist file my MBP 16 would pair with the techs keyboard.

Then we tested with my mouse and keyboard in store and they worked, so far its been working for 4 hours perfectly !

Hope this helps someone else save time.

Meanwhile the USB Bluetooth dongle is being locked away and never used again on the MBP 16

Feb 10, 2020 5:49 AM in response to shawken

Hi, so I finally got my MacBook back and it works great. The command I found was quite helpful, I can pass it through to my virtual machine without macOS picking the usb Bluetooth dongle up and use it.

The command is this just paste it into terminal AT YOUR OWN RISK:

sudo nvram bluetoothHostControllerSwitchBehavior=never

to restore to default run this AT YOUR OWN RISK:

sudo nvram -d bluetoothHostControllerSwitchBehavior

Reboot after you set this variables


16-inch MacBook Pro Bluetooth issue

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