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Service Battery Macbook Pro - Early 2015 Model

Hi All,


I have a Macbook Pro 13" since Feb, 2016 and all these years it has been a fantastic mac ! However, I see "Service Battery" as a suggestion when I click on the Battery icon for last 2 days. The cycle count is 260 and the battery is still able to deliver 6-7 hrs of normal usage when disconnected from Power.


I read a few options on internet regarding resetting System Management Controller (SMC), and also to calibrate the battery by completely discharging it after fully charged, and then charging it again after 5+ hrs, but didn't help.


I went to Apple store today and the person there advised me to visit an Apple Service centre so that it could be further diagnosed, though he himself was surprised that this shouldn't have happened since cycle count is still low after using it for almost 4 years and the battery's performance starts deteriorating only when cycle count approaches 1000.


Could you please advise if there are other options apart from resetting SMC / calibrating battery like suggested in few other posts to get rid of this "Service battery" message?


Thanks in advance,


Regards,


Prashant

MacBook Pro 13", macOS 10.15

Posted on Feb 18, 2020 9:59 AM

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Feb 18, 2020 1:51 PM in response to y_p_w

Thanks for the feedback. As a customer when I buy a product, I buy on the specifications that the Company lists (plus the reviews) for it's products because those are the "selling points" towards the customer.


Please, refer to below link regarding what Apple states about "battery cycles".


https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201585


" Batteries have a limited amount of charge cycles before they're considered to be consumed. Once consumed, a replacement battery is recommended. You can use your battery after it reaches its maximum cycle count, but you might notice a reduction in your battery life. 


Knowing how many charge cycles your battery has and how many are left can help you determine when a battery replacement is required. For best performance, replace your battery when you reach its maximum cycle count. "


For Macboom Pro 13", knowing that cycle count recommended from Apple is 1000 and that mine is only 260, it is just too much a deviation and expectation from the customer that he/she should replace a battery ! I don't consider that cycle of 260 is already good enough to replace the battery if the Company i.e. Apple doesn't explicitly states that.


Apple also clearly states that, "For example, you could use half of your notebook's charge in one day, and then recharge it fully. If you did the same thing the next day, it would count as one charge cycle, not two. In this way, it might take several days to complete a cycle." so it is immaterial if I achieve 260 cycles in 4 years time OR in 8 years time, so stating that even though one has achieved only 260 cycles though battery is 4 years old would be stupid !


I know that there are recommendations from Apple as to how batteries should be used on https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204054 and have used these recommendations to the T right from day 1 of my purchase of my mac and if I end up into situation where I have to replace battery even if cycle count is way too less than what Company asked for, and when recommendations were followed to the T, I can only say that "IT IS DISAPPOINTING" !

Feb 18, 2020 5:00 PM in response to Prashant778

Prashant778 wrote:
Keep in mind that no customer would accept if the product doesn't hold true to it's Company's specifications, specially if you follow the guidelines suggested by the Company and pay a heavy premium for purchase. It costs money, and unfortunately money doesn't come for "free".


Other than during the warranty period and possibly implied fitness for sale, there really isn't much that a customer can do if a consumable part such as a battery wears out. The replacement price of a battery is going to be a fraction of the price of the device.


The battery number is a published design specification. It's a rating and not a guarantee. It's not a number that matters for the warranty except during the limited time period of the warranty. It's like any other product. They may market typical performance, but after the warranty period is up there is no responsibility to repair it for free. It's stated right here:


https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/
MacBook Owners
Your battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 1000 complete charge cycles. The one-year warranty includes replacement coverage for a defective battery. Apple offers a battery replacement service for all MacBookMacBook Air, and MacBook Pro notebooks with built-in batteries.


If you really want something with a performance guarantee, buy it.

Feb 19, 2020 6:05 PM in response to Prashant778

Prashant778 wrote:

No, my questions were pretty clear in the original post. Warranty and other stuff was not that I asked for. For me, it is important to understand the root cause and the fix around that rather than simply switch to another battery accepting that it was probably one off case where "typical" specifications weren't met.
https://discussions.apple.com/content/attachment/f4788249-5559-47ae-b1bb-339f34e967c2


That’s what we are running chasing our tails trying to explain this to you. There doesn’t have to be a root cause because lithium rechargeable batteries have a wide variation in longevity performance. The specification for 1000 cycles to 80% battery health is a typical (aka “nominal”) result. There will be variations even if two identical devices could somehow be subjected to the same conditions. As much as as you wish the money you spent bought some absolute level of battery performance, it simply doesn’t. It’s simply the nature of a finicky technology. At least we’re at the level where we can get an average of 1000 cycles and it’s rare (but not unheard of) that batteries catch on fire. Over 20 years ago, 150 cycles would be good, lithium ion batteries tended to catch on fire, and they might be a third the cost of a typical laptop computer.


Apple also simplifies everything into a cycle being a cycle. However, research into rechargeable battery longevity shows that keeping the charge within a narrow range can (on average) exponentially increase battery longevity. A battery would typically maintain more capacity with 2000 half cycles from 25-75% compared to 1000 full cycles from 0-100%. But again, there will always be some examples that exceed these expectations along with those that don’t.

Feb 18, 2020 10:53 AM in response to Prashant778

Keep in mind that Apple uses charging cycles as its metric but age plays a big factor too. An early 2015 with the original battery, even with low cycles, is closing in on its end of life. My computers always tend to have low cycle counts after 3 years but between 36 and 40 months I begin seeing a drastic drop in how long the battery keeps its charge.


The service battery indicator comes on when the OS recognizes that the battery behavior isn't normal. Sometimes an SMC reset fixes the issue because the battery really is okay. In your case it sounds like there really is an issue. Apple's recommendation at this point is replacement.


Feb 18, 2020 11:02 AM in response to dwb

Thanks for the feedback. 2000 EUR mac, and then battery worth 250 EUR every 3-4 years is quite an expensive affair ! What's the point of claiming 1000 cycles from Apple? Why not mention battery life then in years? I understand that the performance deterioriates over period of time, but it's still less than 4 years and with cycle count of 260 only, I would expect that such issues don't crop up specially if you pay a very premium price for the purchase.

Feb 18, 2020 11:41 AM in response to Prashant778

The number they give of 1000 cycles to 80% battery health is a benchmark or a nominal rating. Capacity can be lost faster or slower than that for any number of reasons including manufacturing variations, environmental conditions (i.e. heat can accelerate degradation), etc. There's always going to be some random variation. I actually got my MBP where it was showing around 94% battery health when new and now after 5 years it's down to about 81%. It only has about 110 cycles and has never been used in high temperatures. I just have a below average battery and I'm OK with it since I use it as a desktop replacement where I can move it around the house for short periods of time.


Service battery could be a result of something other than capacity loss. The oddest service battery indicator I ever saw was from my polycarbonate MacBook that went into thermal shutdown and restarted indicating a negative battery capacity. Obviously the smart battery system got corrupted. It bounced between service battery to normal, but eventually the battery started swelling although it wasn't too bad because that only cause the external plate to push out. With the current Mac batteries inside the case it probably would have distorted the case/keyboard/trackpad.

Feb 18, 2020 12:16 PM in response to Prashant778

my office mate uses his computer on battery for several hours every day. I use mine on battery a couple hours a month some semesters, much more frequently other times. Cycles is probably a better indicator for people like my office mate, who, by the way, gets to 1000 cycles in about 3.5 years. On the other hand, my wife is sorta in the middle and has never replaced a battery - about 4.5 to 5 years per computer. She closes in on 1000 cycles.

Feb 18, 2020 2:06 PM in response to dwb

Good hypothesis, but it cannot be the case that battery which has only 260 cycles, i.e. "740 less than projected 1000" is already done if I follow Apple's marketing argument.


What I don't like is the argument on one hand from Apple which states 1000 cycles of battery life (NOT stating the years) and on the other hand "implicitly" implying that it is done with even though it is only 260 cycles, 4 yrs old.

Feb 18, 2020 3:26 PM in response to Prashant778

Again, that's a nominal rating. It's not a performance guarantee. Anyone familiar with engineering failure analysis understands the "bathtub curve". This isn't exactly the same, but there's the concept of a probability distribution. While you may have found an early decline (and I've seen it in my own Apple devices) there are others on the other end of the probability distribution who have found it vastly exceeded those specifications. Some have reported here that their batteries had over 1500 cycles and were still over 80% battery health.


Like many companies, Apple has a limited warranty which is at least one year worldwide. If there's a failure (in this case less than 80% battery health) within the warranty period, Apple will replace the battery. Other than that, it's like any other rating. It's a guide but not a guarantee.

Feb 18, 2020 3:59 PM in response to axlroden

axlroden wrote:
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Mac/MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Retina-Early-2015-Battery/IF123-054?o=5

Fairly easy to change the battery, this kit includes all you need, for 110$


That's hardly easy. And those solvents are pretty nasty to work with. Apple does it by having a central location prepare complete top cases. The technician would only swap out a complete top case where they don't have to worry about actually removing the battery.

Feb 18, 2020 4:34 PM in response to y_p_w

I am afraid your posts do not point to a solution/recommendation that I had asked for but to theoritical concepts and to a proposition to accept that there are instances of failures and instances of successes. Knowing that this is part and parcel of every product launched by a Company, but then, it is also imperative to understand/realize/accept the fact whether the product's specifications meet as much as possible for a customer / do not meet for a customer/ only partially meet for a customer and then what are the proportions in total sample. You and me do not have insights into that statistical data, so there's absolutely no point in discussing that.


In my case, specially for the battery, it looks like I have a failure inspite of the fact I followed guidelines of Apple, did everything that they recommended !


Compare 1000 cycles as per Apple's commitment and the fact that I have 260 cycles as of today, and the battery already shows signs of possibly giving up. I didn't ask Apple to mention 1000 cycles as per the product specifications. I also followed their recommendation of how battery is to be used. If someone else has 1500 cycles and battery is still working fine, good luck to him/her, but that still doesn't solve the problem at hand ! Personally, I haven't seen such great posts which substantiate this fact that other users have such great performance from batteries.


Keep in mind that no customer would accept if the product doesn't hold true to it's Company's specifications, specially if you follow the guidelines suggested by the Company and pay a heavy premium for purchase. It costs money, and unfortunately money doesn't come for "free".

Feb 19, 2020 12:11 AM in response to y_p_w

Since the price of the device is really high, the "fraction of price" is not a small amount, at least not for me, so it is important to understand why the product didn't live upto the specifications it was meant to be and what are the solutions around that. That was also the idea of my initial post to understand if someone else had issue and if there are options to fix it. Changing battery is the last option.

Feb 20, 2020 8:56 AM in response to y_p_w

There has to be a root cause for everything, if the product doesn't meet the specifications it was supposed to adhere to, else all products wouldn't have improved from their primitive versions and we wouldn't have had Service Specialists !


Nonetheless, I went to the Apple Service Center and the Apple Specialists after having a look shared, "It is bit surprising to see message appearing already now given that the cycle count in your case is 260 and the laptop is not even 4 years old. Normally, Service battery message appears when the cycle count starts approaching 700 or so. All batteries incorporated into Apple products have to pass stringent quality tests before they are used in products, so it is very unlikely that the battery is a defective one or it has a defect now. There can be other reasons for this message and it is also possible that the internal circuitry is not able to read battery state properly even though if battery is in very good shape, which looks to be in your case, because battery still suffices for nearly 7-8 hrs of standby time even after 4 yrs. That is a very good standby time from the battery."


They suggested to monitor a few more days to see if the battery starts draining quickly. If it doesn't, then internal circuitry is possibly causing the message to appear which would need further investigation. Fortunately it doesn't drain out quickly in my case so proposition of malfunctioning battery is out of question.


Statistical data is important and has a different purpose, but you cannnot apply statistics to understand root cause of problems / issues. That's a different ball-game. And as I mentioned before, I am/was more interested in root cause of the issue rather than blabbering around different statistical propositions. Glad, I had that feedback eventually from an Apple Specialist !

Service Battery Macbook Pro - Early 2015 Model

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