Battery discharges while being plugged in at 100% / Battery draining while plugged in

Hi Apple Forum,


I have a "problem" with my battery, or maybe a bad user experience. I have the new MacBook Pro 2020 13 inch with 2 Thunderbolt ports.


This is the following environment where the issue appears:

  • MacBook is charged to 100%
  • MacBook is plugged in and fully charged (original Apple Charging Cable)
  • normal usage / just web browsing or watching youtube videos


Now, I open the MacBook Pro, battery is fully charged and plugged in. I start using the laptop and after some time, the battery charge starts to continously decrease. Obviously first 99%... 98%... 97%.... 96%... and so on until approximately 90%. While this is happening, it shows me in the top bar that the battery icon is still fully charged. I then click on it and it shows "Battery is not charging" and power supply through charging cable.


At 90% it randomly starts to reload the MacBook again up to 100%. While the battery is losing charge, I tried to unplug and replug for it to start charging again, but it didnt help. I switched the sockets and that didn't help either. I restarted the laptop and resetted the SMC. Nothing helped. I always wondered if this is something apple intentionally implemented to "keep the battery healthy". While this is making sense, it looks very confusing to me as a user.


They published an article stating that the battery may stop charging at 93% or more. But with my case, the battery is actually discharging from 100% to 90%. Which is kind of confusing to me, since I am not doing any heavy tasks or so on.


With my MacBook Pro from 2010 I had the experience that when my laptop is plugged in at 100% and I am using it, it stays at 100% and thats what I like to see actually. I attached one photo (in German) showing the "issue".


I have heard something about the newly implemented battery health system but I just want to be sure why this is happening.


Maybe any MacBook Pro 2010 user have experienced the same or wondered about it too. I haven't found any specific topics about this.

MacBook Pro with Touch Bar

Posted on Jun 29, 2020 12:55 AM

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Posted on Jun 30, 2020 8:00 AM

leroydouglas wrote:

This is the new normal—

macOS Catalina 10.15.5 introduces battery health management, a feature designed to improve the lifespan of your Mac notebook's battery.

The Battery Health button appears in >SystemPreferences>Energy Saver —this feature is limited to Mac laptops with Thunderbolt 3 ports. That equates to all MacBook Pro models released since late 2016 and the Retina-capable MacBook Air models released since 2018.

About battery health management in Mac notebooks https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211094

you can read more:
https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/#macbooktips

Thanks for the reply. Is this exact behavior described somewhere in detail? I have only read very general things about the new battery health management. What may be describing our experience is this: "Based on the measurements that it collects, battery health management may reduce your battery's maximum charge when in this mode."


This could mean, that if at 100%, the Battery Health Management (BHM) intentionally decreases the maximum charge from 100% to 90%. But if this was written somewhere, stating this behavior, it would clarify a lot for us.


In the other post I linked, the author said the issue didn't occur again after disabling the BHM feature. Can someone approve this? This would then also add to the assumption that this comes from the BHM.

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Jun 30, 2020 8:00 AM in response to leroydouglas

leroydouglas wrote:

This is the new normal—

macOS Catalina 10.15.5 introduces battery health management, a feature designed to improve the lifespan of your Mac notebook's battery.

The Battery Health button appears in >SystemPreferences>Energy Saver —this feature is limited to Mac laptops with Thunderbolt 3 ports. That equates to all MacBook Pro models released since late 2016 and the Retina-capable MacBook Air models released since 2018.

About battery health management in Mac notebooks https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211094

you can read more:
https://www.apple.com/batteries/maximizing-performance/#macbooktips

Thanks for the reply. Is this exact behavior described somewhere in detail? I have only read very general things about the new battery health management. What may be describing our experience is this: "Based on the measurements that it collects, battery health management may reduce your battery's maximum charge when in this mode."


This could mean, that if at 100%, the Battery Health Management (BHM) intentionally decreases the maximum charge from 100% to 90%. But if this was written somewhere, stating this behavior, it would clarify a lot for us.


In the other post I linked, the author said the issue didn't occur again after disabling the BHM feature. Can someone approve this? This would then also add to the assumption that this comes from the BHM.

Jul 4, 2020 3:26 PM in response to Daavidd

Daavidd wrote:

I will try this now: (and maybe you guys want to try it too) next time I see the discharging happening again, I will turn off the BHM while it is doing it. Unplugging and plugging back in did not trigger the MBP to charge again, maybe turning off the BHM will. This would strongly suggest that it is a BHM thing. I will keep you all posted.


Hi all, I made a very interesting experience. My MBP started discharging again at 12 AM with 100% (being plugged in for around 1,5 hours and all the time at 100%).


I saw the discharge, when it was at 98% (showing: Battery is charged). I went to settings and disabled the BHM, and the MBP actually started charging again as usual! This happened without unplugging, restarting or resetting anything - only disabling BHM.


I then activated it again and guess what... the battery switched from charging to "Battery is charged", so actually discharging again.


For me this strongly implies that it is only a BHM related topic and actually only happens intentionally and bc it keeps the battery healthy. What do you all think? Can you reproduce this?

Jul 1, 2020 1:38 AM in response to Daavidd

I also spoke to Apple Support about the identical experience I have/had (battery level oscillating between 90-100% when AC is always plugged-in, battery is not charging between 90-100%, SMC reset not fix it...etc). The customer service mentioned nothing about the BHM feature and arranged for me to send in my MacBook Pro for repair. I sent it in and only to have it returned to me one day after service centre received it with a note "can not reproduce the charging problem" and "passed all diagnostic tests"....


The evidence seems to support that this is the new/current charging behaviour, it was just a bit curious that Apple Support didn't advise me about the BHM feature and wanted me to have the MacBook Pro checked by their service centre when I approached them about this issue.

Jul 1, 2020 1:22 PM in response to Aphexking

I'd previously disabled BHM to see what would happen (see my most recent post: battery stayed at 100%) and tonight I turned BHM back on again.

After a restart, the battery is once again slowly draining despite the laptop being plugged in.


My first thought was that it almost seems a little like how you're supposed to start a car in storage every now and then to make sure it doesn't die and gets some "exercise" rather than just letting it sit there.

Jokes aside, it really does seem like it's the BHM - and I agree that some clearer communication would have been/would be great.

Jul 4, 2020 1:38 PM in response to armatta

I have disabled BHM and I continue to see the problem after disabling BHM. It seems that the problem is completely unrelated with BHM. I have a MBP2020 13 which now 1 month old.


When it starts discharging, the only way I found that to make sure it is recharging again is to put it in standby. After standby it typically (90% of the times) starts charging again. Otherwise the recharging is completely random

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Jul 6, 2020 3:33 AM in response to itsame_mario

I spoke to Apple support just now.

I explained the situation and asked if the whole "discharging to ~90% and then recharging" thing was BHM at work.


Here's a screenshot:



I then asked jokingly (as I did in this thread as well) if it was like a car in storage that you're supposed to start every now and then. Here's what he said:



I still think this should have been communicated officially but personally, that confirmation of what some of us had already assumed in this thread is enough for me.


I hope that helps :)


Jul 27, 2020 1:18 AM in response to JianliangGao

Guys I have some update from Apple store Amsterdam, I left MacBook to them for further testing, after two genius appointments, they called me at the end of next day, says: there is nothing wrong with hardware after several testing, they told me it is completely normal that battery percentage behaves this way, no matter battery health turned on or off. The person who called me is the same person who tested my laptop, he told me that nothing to be worried.


I will see if I get an official repair report or something from Apple after I pick up the machine, I will share with you guys

Jul 1, 2020 1:48 PM in response to Aphexking

I can't guarantee anything, of course, but personally, I'm kinda relieved to see the correlation between turning BHM off/on and the battery behavior changing.


I read a bunch of other forums (via google search, can't remember the names) and people seemed to come to the same conclusion everywhere. That is what gave me the idea to try turning BHM off in the first place.


My Mac isn't massively older than yours and it does the same thing - down to ~90% before charging again. I can tell you, I was pretty worried I'd have to get it replaced a week after buying it.

My partner's Mac (not even a month old) does it too. So it does seem to be normal at the very least.





Jul 1, 2020 12:43 AM in response to Aphexking

Hi Aphexking, could you try to let it run down until it starts charging itself again? It should be at 90% as with me.


Yes, I spoke to Apple several times, but they didn't point me in the BHM direction by themselves. I had to ask them about it and the person said "yes, it could be".


Hoenstly, I don't want to rely on a could be. I paid a lot of Euros here in Germany (19% Tax...) and I want to know exactly if my MBP is behaving like it shouldn't. If this turns out to be a problem in the long run, they wont help me.


While talking to the Support they only said: try using another USB-C cable, try resetting SMC, try restarting. Ultimately, they might just call you in to the Apple Store and probably the issue doesn't occur at that exact time. So you will have to walk off with nothing.


Maybe you can try to let it run down to the point when it is charging again (for me 90% and it just randomly switches). Or disable the BHM and see if it reoccurs.


Nevertheless, we need a statement from an Apple Specialist/Employee or even an FAQ stating that this exact behavior is intentional!!! It just doesn't feel good to see that, while spending a lot of money €$...


I mean Apple can see how many people get freaked out by that behavior!! It is just weird to see that your MBP is not charging and actually discharging itself. This will always be a topic people will ask about, so Apple must clarify this.

Jul 2, 2020 4:45 AM in response to itsame_mario

I have disabled BHM and I continue to see the problem after disabling BHM. It seems that the problem is completely unrelated with BHM. I have a MBP2020 13 which now 1 month old.


When it starts discharging, the only way I found that to make sure it is recharging again is to put it in standby. After standby it typically (90% of the times) starts charging again. Otherwise the recharging is completely random...


Did anybody tried the new 10.15.6 beta to see if the problem is still there?

Jul 2, 2020 4:50 AM in response to pmsardo

Hi

I have spoken to Apple and I been told it should not be doing this. the battery on mains will not be damaged so should not need to drain and then go back onto charge on its own doing.

I have been told to put in safe mode - as my MacBook does it a the same time every afternoon, to see if it does it in safe mode.

if it does not do it in safe mode, I will then have to see if it does it on Friday while being plugged in.

I will keep you posted on this, please do the same,

thank you

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