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Debating whether to put my ISP router in bridge mode or my airport time capsule.

Hi all,

So since I live in the UK, I have an ISP (BT) which provides me with their own ISP gateway (a modem/router combination) which I my DSL cable goes straight into. I purchased an Airport Time Capsule to use as my main router a while back and have plugged it into one of the LAN ports on the back of my ISP gateway, but since neither are currently in bridge mode, I suspect they are double NAT-ing, whatever that is (They are both acting as a router I think). I am looking to optimise my network, so I believe I need to put one of the routers in bridge mode. I want to use my airport time capsule as the router and essentially use the ISP gateway as ONLY a modem (by disabling it's WiFi and putting it in bridge mode). Is this a good idea? Or should I instead put my airport time capsule in bridge mode and allow my ISP gateway to assign IP addresses etc.


One final question, since I am also using multiple airport expresses to wirelessly extend my network, do these also need to be in bridge mode, because currently they aren't I don't think. If so, I would assume they are triple NAT-ing, which can't be good.


Will using bridge mode reduce network interference or congestion and decrease latency?


Well, thanks anyway, hopefully you guys can help me out.

Posted on Jul 31, 2020 6:59 AM

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Posted on Jul 31, 2020 7:28 AM

I want to use my airport time capsule as the router and essentially use the ISP gateway as ONLY a modem (by disabling it's WiFi and putting it in bridge mode)


In theory, It does not really matter whether the ISP gateway is configured as a router and the Time Capsule is set up in Bridge Mode......or......whether the ISP gateway is set up as a modem only and the Time Capsule is configured as the network router.......unless.......there is some special feature or setting that you want to use that would require that the Time Capsule be configured as the router for the network.


Frankly, I would be surprised if your ISP gateway can even be configured to act as a simple modem, even if you wanted to set it up that way, so you might want to check with the support folks at your ISP to ask about this. Even if it can be set up as a simple modem, your ISP is probably going to be a lot less than thrilled about helping you to do this.


Another possible issue is that your ISP: may not support this type of setup, so if there are issues with the Internet connection, your ISP will look the other way.


Final thought......even if the gateway can be set up in Bridge Mode, the Time Capsule will need to connect to your ISP signal using what is called PPPoE credentials. But......much of the UK uses what is known as PPPoA.....which is not compatible with the Time Capsule.


Life would be lot easier if you left the ISP gateway "as is" and simply change the Router Mode of the Time Capsule to Bridge Mode, which Apple calls "Off (Bridge Mode)".


Double NAT is not the end of the world and many users run things this way, so if things are working well now, you might also consider leaving well enough alone. Apple would recommend the Double NAT setup for what that is worth.


However, if you are having problems because of the Double NAT, then that would be a good reason to switch the Time Capsule to Bridge Mode.


One final question, since I am also using multiple airport expresses to wirelessly extend my network, do these also need to be in bridge mode, because currently they aren't I don't think. If so, I would assume they are triple NAT-ing, which can't be good.


If the AirPort Expresses are set up to "extend" the WiFi network, then you can be assured that they are already set up in Bridge Mode, since they could not extend the network otherwise.











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Jul 31, 2020 7:28 AM in response to Upstagesauce123

I want to use my airport time capsule as the router and essentially use the ISP gateway as ONLY a modem (by disabling it's WiFi and putting it in bridge mode)


In theory, It does not really matter whether the ISP gateway is configured as a router and the Time Capsule is set up in Bridge Mode......or......whether the ISP gateway is set up as a modem only and the Time Capsule is configured as the network router.......unless.......there is some special feature or setting that you want to use that would require that the Time Capsule be configured as the router for the network.


Frankly, I would be surprised if your ISP gateway can even be configured to act as a simple modem, even if you wanted to set it up that way, so you might want to check with the support folks at your ISP to ask about this. Even if it can be set up as a simple modem, your ISP is probably going to be a lot less than thrilled about helping you to do this.


Another possible issue is that your ISP: may not support this type of setup, so if there are issues with the Internet connection, your ISP will look the other way.


Final thought......even if the gateway can be set up in Bridge Mode, the Time Capsule will need to connect to your ISP signal using what is called PPPoE credentials. But......much of the UK uses what is known as PPPoA.....which is not compatible with the Time Capsule.


Life would be lot easier if you left the ISP gateway "as is" and simply change the Router Mode of the Time Capsule to Bridge Mode, which Apple calls "Off (Bridge Mode)".


Double NAT is not the end of the world and many users run things this way, so if things are working well now, you might also consider leaving well enough alone. Apple would recommend the Double NAT setup for what that is worth.


However, if you are having problems because of the Double NAT, then that would be a good reason to switch the Time Capsule to Bridge Mode.


One final question, since I am also using multiple airport expresses to wirelessly extend my network, do these also need to be in bridge mode, because currently they aren't I don't think. If so, I would assume they are triple NAT-ing, which can't be good.


If the AirPort Expresses are set up to "extend" the WiFi network, then you can be assured that they are already set up in Bridge Mode, since they could not extend the network otherwise.











Jul 31, 2020 7:29 AM in response to Bob Timmons

Great, thanks for that,

Also, in regards to the Internet tab in the airport settings, should I be connecting using DHCP, static, or PPPoE, (bearing in mind I have now set the airport Extreme in bridge mode and the ISP gateway is doing the IP address allocation now)

Also, should I have the IPV6 configuration in link-local only or automatic, if I want it to be off completely.

Thanks again for your response


Jul 31, 2020 7:37 AM in response to Upstagesauce123

Use the DHCP setting for the connection if things are working. Static could be used if you find that the Time Capsule is losing its Internet connection more often than you would like.


If you go to Static for the Time Capsule, then you should also go to Static for the Expresses.


Use Link Local Only for the IPv6 setting since the ISP gateway is already handling IPv6. You cannot turn IPv6 off on the AirPorts.

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