Deleted emails not appearing in bin - MacOS Big Sur

Well said JohnDoe0007. I'm glad you called him / her out.

You try to help some people and they turn on you, just great!

Fortunately they are few in the community.

Cheers pal.

Don't know how you have 13 points with an attitude like yours.

You may be better off switching to Windows.

It certainly does - many thanks. I presume the logic behind not showing you deleted items is you are no longer interested but occasionally you delete something too early or need to refer back.

Works! Brilliant! But why? Recovered all my deleted emails by adding “all bins”. Relief.

I've no idea what I did, just now - but have now managed to delete everything since 1350 hrs today.

The search method no longer finds them, either!

I can go into "account info" and see them on the pop server, but wouldn't know how to get them re-sent, anyway.

This almost feels like travelling backwards, at times!

I'm giving up for the night, now - as I suspect I'll do more harm than good (if I haven't already!) poking around where I don't belong, so I'll sleep on it for now!

Being awake enough to remember what I'd just done would have been so handy, though!

Thanking you again, for your help, Mr Doe!

Ha! Yes it works!

I might try to delete some of the extra bins that seem to have appeared since the update - just to clear things up, and make things look normal again - possibly doing a (long, drawn-out) back-up in between.

I had the laptop suddenly shut down, with a warning message, a couple of hours ago.

When it had re-booted, ther was the option to send a report to Apple.

I'm feeling quite relieved, now - and had assumed that this was another manifestation of the Mail problem, as I'd been "messing around" in mail, only a couple of minutes beforehand, in an attempt to get things back to "normal"!

I may yet stick this on that other thread that I linked to on here, a couple of days ago - but I'll be sure to make sure they know it wasn't actually me that found it!

You both appear to have a decent, solid methodolgy behind your solving solutions - and in contrast, I generally poke around hoping for the best!

How I suddenly have lots of "points" against my "level 1" status here, I'll never know!

Consolation for seeming so challenged & backward in my cartoon-style diagnostic procedures, or raising the most laughs at Apple Central, is all I can think of!

I know it's minor in the grand scheme of things - but it feels like a Eureka moment, to me - so, a heart-felt thanks - to both of you!

I can barely remember what changes I've made, now - but I did end up deleting 2 or 3 extra bins, that I think had only appeared since the update!

The one at the top called "All Bins" seems to hold everything it should - and the contents of the newer "Smart Mailbox" called "Temp Bin" that I set up, using info earlier in this thread - seems to hold the same info, too.

It feels as if I've now got two bins running parallel, just in case one of them vanishes - as seemed to happen in the first place!

Not much help at all - I know!

That was getting on my nerves a bit, too!

And I really wanted it all back to how it always was - with just the one bin to deal with.

All I've done since then, is delete one of them, and the others are still fine.

I think I also deleted a couple of greyed-out sub-bins, that had appeared within the original bin!

Now there are still two - the original & the "Smart Mailbox" bin that I had to create, just to see my deleted items - both with an equal number of deleted items.

But do I take that final gamble?

I keep hovering over the new "smart" bin, just about to delete it, but haven't so far, just in case it puts me right back to square one, all over again!

Maybe I should do a back-up, and give it a go!

If I get to do that, I'll report back here with the results - good or bad!

But probably not today - as I'm flat out for a while, now!

Maybe Apple will see all of this, and get Mail (or at least the Bins) back to normal?

I'm still hoping!

All the Best,

LB

Yeah, Tony

I tried that earlier, hoping that the smart folder trick might work!

No luck so far!

At the moment, I hunt them down using the search, and then put them into a newly created folder, each time I send anything!

It just seemed odd that they can vanish the way they seem to, at all!

Thanks for helping, though!

I'll keep at it, whenever there's time. (and inclination!)

All the Best,

LB

Hi LB

I was not saying to use the smart folders option. My solution was:

First up make sure the Favourites Bar is visible.

To the right of "Favourites" press the + icon. In the "Add Favourite" dialog box use arrow icon and select the folder/s you want. In my case, being in Australia, I selected both "All Rubbish" - deleted emails and "All Junk" - junk emails. When you do this they appear under favourites. If you have more than 1 account like I do they appear as sub folders.

PS Other members are saying to select "All Bins" - maybe this is USA?

So now I have All Inboxes, All Sent, All Junk, All Rubbish & All Drafts with sub folders.

Have you tried this?

Regards Tony