BootCamp and M1 Mac Computers

Same here. Currently on the line with Apple support requesting if I can return my Macbook Air. I use Windows for work and my Macbook for my business and I thought purchasing a new one wouldn't be a problem because I was going to use Parallels but they don't support it. I'm sure soon they will.

Yes I agree” I also bought 13” MacBook Pro m1 and windows 10 whitch I would of installed on a usb using VMWare Fusion as I don’t really like to install to the Macintosh hdd, also it does not cost then too, but what I don’t under stand is why they would install the boot-cam on the new Mac if they are stoping unless they are wait to see what there customers are going to say about it before doing away with it. Anyway I am stuck now because I use both Mac and windows Mac more but there is something you can’t do on a Mac, I have no choice but to sell this new Mac now and all the extra bit bought usb doc/windows 10/ cover/screen protector/ Parallels/ software all costing me lots of money I will probably lose money now it’s a big mistake that Apple have made here. Good job I still have my MacBook Pro 2015 all wiped clean so will have to start the windows 10 setup and all Mac software back on nightmare☹️☹️☹️☹️

Dingo1005 wrote:

but what I don’t under stand is why they would install the boot-cam on the new Mac if they are stoping unless they are wait to see what there customers are going to say about it before doing away with it.

Because there is no reason to build two separate versions of macOS - one for each CPU type - Intel and M1, and complicate the software delivery and recovery models. One 'extra' piece of software does not make the whole OS. It will get removed when time comes. Wait for Parallels and Fusion to allow Virtualization in the future, there is no need for a native boot OS other than macOS.

Anyway I am stuck now because I use both Mac and windows Mac more but there is something you can’t do on a Mac, I have no choice but to sell this new Mac now and all the extra bit bought usb doc/windows 10/ cover/screen protector/ Parallels/ software all costing me lots of money. I will probably lose money now

If you are outside the return window, you should keep it for the future, if you think you will lose money.

it’s a big mistake that Apple have made here.

No. They have created new revenue streams. 😉

Good job I still have my MacBook Pro 2015 all wiped clean so will have to start the windows 10 setup and all Mac software back on nightmare☹️☹️☹️☹️

Old hardware still has value and utility. 👍

you may feel that way but what apple did was to change cpu type, bootcamp is a collection of 3 things

a bootloader which points to what operating system is started, a driver collection for their hardware, and a setup tool

bootcamp or macos is not running in the background "supporting" Windows runs directly on the metal, x86 windows can't run on an arm based cpu, and microsoft does not sell it's arm-based windows to anything but OEM. if microsoft change their minds and make bootcamp on arm cpus happen, then it's unlikely that x86 windows games would run and it's unlikely all old windows x86 drivers for older hardware would work.

Will Boot Camp Assistance ever become available for M1 Mac Computers?

it will depend on Microsoft

Apple: It's Really Up to Microsoft to Make Windows Work on M1-Based Macs | Tom's Hardware

x86 windows will 99% never be a think in bootcamp on arm based macs

if microsoft begin to sell their arm based window10 to others than OEM them maybe, but x86 based games will likely never run native and if they will not well, and drivers for older hardware supported by windows x86 version will likely not run on arm windows10

I think and suggest, give BootCamp some time to find a way if they can manage Windows to work with M1, otherwise, use an alternative like Paralells for now where you will not get the full Windows experience, though.

Well I understand window Via Bootcamp days are over, however no one talked about a nifty app call crossover, why do I need window on Mac when I can run all the window apps via crossover. I have several important apps. and my dedicated ERP application and I run it with no issue at. all.

saraswat290 wrote:

Well I understand window Via Bootcamp days are over, however no one talked about a nifty app call crossover, why do I need window on Mac when I can run all the window apps via crossover.

As long as you do not have any performance issues, you can use CrossOver (based on WiNE). Also, see https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/18/run-windows-software-on-m1/ .

Actually Parallel is not working with the M1 at present. They are going through techtrials with it.

So there is no Virtual machine software that works with it.

people would purchase based upon what is written here so please check first your facts

Parallels and Windows 10 for ARM are in beta for apple silicon at the moment. It's easy to join and free at the moment too. Crossover is also a really viable method to run pc apps and games.

Both are really fast! The newly added 64bit emulation on Windows 10 is working really well so that means modern apps and games are working.

I'm using it for mostly games via steam and for the most part is a really good experience. Tested quite a few games using both parallels and crossover and the performance is really good.

So far tried Shemnue 1,2 and 3, Evil within 1 and 2, Wolfenstein old blood, fallout 4, Metro Exodus and most play 30fps+ at 1080p. Fiddling with the settings is required but usually it is around medium to high. Some of the newer games have to be set a bit lower but for playing on a Mac Book Air or Mac Mini via several layers of emulation it is really something to see.

Leave who said what. The truth is in front of our eyes. Instead of looking side of Microsoft, we should think can Apple make drivers of their game-changing private M1 and silicon for Windows? Sounds joke. Microsoft should have no problem to share licence. But Apple can not deal with it. It's too personal for them.

abbasamiri00 wrote:

Will Boot Camp Assistance ever become available for M1 Mac Computers?

Very unlikely. If you need Windows-on-a-Mac, buy an Intel-based MAC before 2022. See https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-02/apple-to-hold-nov-10-event-to-announce-macs-with-own-chips.

Parrallels Desktop is the current paid alternative to BootCamp on M1.

I use a 13" M1 macbook air 2020 and I have installed the Parallels Desktop on it. It works great.

I was actually part of the preview testing so I had a 20% discount on the paid annual subscription (when the full official release went live this week)

which goes for

$99/yr (for the popular version) or

$79/yr for the Home or Student version.

Hopefully Apple will announce a BootCamp for M1 soon.

As of now, M1 is not designed to work with Boot Camp. That does not mean it will not work in the near future. In thinking back, I remember when Apple first switched to Intel, and there were competitions all over the web on who could get Windows to work natively on a Mac. About six months after the initial switch, Boot Camp came out. There might be third party software you can look at like Parallels which will probably using the Rosetta 2 to run at this point, but the best thing to do is to wait for Boot Camp to be fixed, or if you need to login to a remote PC, setup a VPN.

For me, a major selling point of buying a Mac has always been that it can run both macOS and Windows. That ability made purchasing a Mac an easy decision, and running both OSs made the machine far more versitile. Sadly, the days of support for both operating systems appear to be over. While it is certainly possible to wait, in the hope that Apple will bring Bootcamp to M1, it seems unlikely that this will ever happen. Windows on ARM is not much of a priority to Microsoft in the first place, and it is certainly not much of a priority to Apple.

Software like Parallels isn't much of an option either, as it is so expensive that you could buy a low spec dedicated Windows machine after only a few years for a similar or lower price. Parallels is also far from perfect and comes with its own set of issues. A big one is that many games simply will not work using it. If you need Windows, at this stage the only real solution is simply buy an Intel based Mac, or buy/build an additional Windows based PC.