BootCamp and M1 Mac Computers

varun133 wrote:

boot camp install 2020m1 macbook air

Do you have a question? Officially, there is no support for Bootcamp on Apple Silicon.

if ms started selling arm win10 non oem then people would likely expect drivers for all the hardware that x86 has bundled, something which they would not be able deliver within a reasonable timeframe as the drivers would not be made by them.

abbasamiri00 wrote:

Will Boot Camp Assistance ever become available for M1 Mac Computers?

Very unlikely. If you need Windows-on-a-Mac, buy an Intel-based MAC before 2022. See https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-02/apple-to-hold-nov-10-event-to-announce-macs-with-own-chips.

No worries! I personally have stocked-up' on Intel Mac (minis) to be able to run W7/W8.1/W10. I use QEMU frequently. It is sufficient for my needs. Unless Graphical or Scientific (number-crunching) needs arise, it seems to be able to perform reasonable well.

I have used Parallels with both Desktops and Macbooks for decades. (Most recently iMac Pro & 2013 Macbook pro) with excellent results. I am able to use Windows applications for business, browsing, documents, etc. perfectly. However, though I have often used Parallels to run Windows games on my mac, I have discovered only moderate to poor graphics capability in the VM. I first discovered this in "Surviving Mars". There became many graphic errors making the game unplayable in the late game. I have run into the same problems with "Humankind". When I encountered these problems I contacted Parallels, no resolution was offered or forthcoming. They admitted Parallels were only able to use some of the graphics resources available in some Windows games. I switched to using BootCamp for the first time in decades. All the Windows games I have attempted to run on Bootcamp, and all ran flawlessly. My solution will be to continue Bootcamp on my 2017 iMac Pro. I am due for a new Macbook pro and will be happy to upgrade to an M1 Macbook pro and to continue to run Windows as needed with Parallels.

Virtualization: a few instructions and operations used by the app or operating system are intercepted and processed by the hypervisor, while the rest of the hardware instructions within the program or the operating system run at full hardware speed.

Virtualization works for x86-64 apps and operating systems on x86-64 processors, and for Arm apps and operating systems on Arm processors. Virtualization does not work for x86-64 apps and operating systems on Arm processors, nor Arm on x86-64.

Emulation: absolutely every instruction and every hardware request are intercepted and processed by the emulator, which adds overhead and means the app runs more slowly.

Most hardware architectures can be emulated on most other architectures, with varying performance. Hardware from thirty years ago and older, and other relatively old computer hardware, can be emulated more quickly on newer computer hardware than the app or operating system might have run natively on old hardware, as newer hardware is more than sufficiently fast enough and can also mask the emulator overhead. But for newer hardware and emulation, not so much.

Ms sells most licenses for new computers, but sell license to consumers who build their own intel based computers and intel based Mac computers, with their arm version there really is no market for home build arm computers currently, so apple bootcamp would be just about the only market for a non oem arm windows, is ms interested in putting in the effort? Are apple interested into making it a thing in their end.

Windows 10 on M1 - Apple Community

Well I understand window Via Bootcamp days are over, however no one talked about a nifty app call crossover, why do I need window on Mac when I can run all the window apps via crossover. I have several important apps. and my dedicated ERP application and I run it with no issue at. all.

It can also run many U*ix variants based on Intel CPUs. Microsoft may pursue ARM further for it's SurfacePro line, but that roadmap is still unclear. There are ARM versions of U*ix which can also run on Apple Silicon, provided Apple is willing to support such endeavors.

xxPhoenixxx wrote:

If you need Windows, at this stage the only real solution is simply buy an Intel based Mac, or buy/build an additional Windows based PC.

...and do it before 2022, when Apple has planned to stop using Intel CPUs. The latest iMac 24-in line is ARM.

1)

Yes, there is for ARM 64. It runs on M1, yes not a native Silicon build, but ARM 64? Yes

2)

Explains why I purchased a license and have it fully activated, I guess

3)

No, it's the release build. Not beta. I *was* running the Beta before and then I did a full install and got the full production RTM version. It does run just fine.

You talk like you know what you're talking about and maybe you did once. But if you follow what I said, you will have the build you need and will have WIndows on M1. How about you try it and report back before shooting it down without doing so?

daelin73 wrote:

1) Yes, there is for ARM 64. It runs on M1, yes not a native Silicon build, but ARM 64? Yes

Please show me where I can buy Microsoft Windows Arm for M1, and how much will it cost? Not an insider beta. Not a released version on an unsupported platform, but rather where can I buy a fully-supported product that I can call Microsoft for support help. Because that’s not (yet?) available. For now, only the Qualcomm configurations have official support.

binnghebong wrote:

Mee too

If you need Windows on a Mac, buy an Intel Mac.

Same here. Currently on the line with Apple support requesting if I can return my Macbook Air. I use Windows for work and my Macbook for my business and I thought purchasing a new one wouldn't be a problem because I was going to use Parallels but they don't support it. I'm sure soon they will.

Yes I agree” I also bought 13” MacBook Pro m1 and windows 10 whitch I would of installed on a usb using VMWare Fusion as I don’t really like to install to the Macintosh hdd, also it does not cost then too, but what I don’t under stand is why they would install the boot-cam on the new Mac if they are stoping unless they are wait to see what there customers are going to say about it before doing away with it. Anyway I am stuck now because I use both Mac and windows Mac more but there is something you can’t do on a Mac, I have no choice but to sell this new Mac now and all the extra bit bought usb doc/windows 10/ cover/screen protector/ Parallels/ software all costing me lots of money I will probably lose money now it’s a big mistake that Apple have made here. Good job I still have my MacBook Pro 2015 all wiped clean so will have to start the windows 10 setup and all Mac software back on nightmare☹️☹️☹️☹️