BootCamp and M1 Mac Computers

Apple did publicize their M1 CPU launch and also provided developers with Transition Kits. ASC may not always know what is coming. The best place to learn more is at https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/. It provides a very good preview.

Newer software can also be buggy compared to older software, but it is a trade-off between new features and stability.

I have quite a few Macs still on macOS Sierra. I find it stable, but some of the older software that integrates Apple's ecosystem has stopped working properly, for example FaceTime is one.

Also, be aware of 32-bit app compatibility with macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 and later - Apple Support.

Actually Parallel is not working with the M1 at present. They are going through techtrials with it.

So there is no Virtual machine software that works with it.

people would purchase based upon what is written here so please check first your facts

Leave who said what. The truth is in front of our eyes. Instead of looking side of Microsoft, we should think can Apple make drivers of their game-changing private M1 and silicon for Windows? Sounds joke. Microsoft should have no problem to share licence. But Apple can not deal with it. It's too personal for them.

My experience is that Windows software such as SolidWorks will NOT work properly using Parallels Desktop nor VMWARE Fusion on Intel-based Mac and Boot Camp is the only solution. I had experience with this a number of years ago. SolidWorks requires native access to hardware, mainly the graphics card and/or accelerator cards in order to run properly. Unless Parallels has expanded it's capabilities to do this, Parallels is NOT a solution to run Windows on M1 or Intel-based Macs for that matter.

Any software that requires native access to the hardware can only run in Boot Camp.

Excellent Charlievarley66! I’m glad we can all share knowledge here.

Your testing successes and Loner T’s posts inspire me to do the same with the QEMU setup I linked above. I may well upgrade my Parallels version as well. This is promising.

I do note you had an audio issue with one game on CrossOver. We takes our chances. But the graphics are surprisingly good so far with CrossOver and Parallels running Windows 10 ARM. There is a future before us.

Sorry, no I have not, but I can imagine that even an older, mid range pc or a cheapish gaming laptop would have a higher FPS than the Mac mini M1 whilst it is running Windows in a VM. It does not stop the tinker in me wanting to see how far the M1 can be pushed though.

Probably better to buy an M1 Mac and a completely separate Windows machine. That way, you get the upgradeability that Windows machines offer, and you get a lot more choice in your hardware options. This would be even more the case, if you are setting up desktop hardware. An M1 Mac Mini would be ideal, as it would allow you to share peripherals.

Apple have made it very clear that they will be treating Intel Mac owners like second class citizens, so sadly an Intel Mac is probably no longer a good option.

For many road warriors, a laptop is typically the hardware. Bootcamp (and VM engines) allow you to carry a single device, which runs both OSes - macOS and Windows. For non-mobile cases, Macminis are ideal desktops. I use a 13-in Intel MBP on the road and a 2018 Mini as a desktop.

Big Sur and M1 still feel very first release environments. And losing USBc ports is another issue with the M1s. The 24-in M1 iMac is a better investment for an M1 from my perspective. I prefer to wait for another year (or more) before Apple Silicon will replace the Intel Macs. This should allow better performance from next iteration of Apple Silicon and better hardware (more memory and storage).

I have a different vet related question. If I have the Mojave installer downloaded on my current MacBook which initially came with and is still using Mojave, if I get the latest MacBook with the new chips, can I create a partition weather with boot camp or not, to install Mojave so I can use a particular 32-bit recording app that I need? I just realized, even so, using it for scheduled recordings may not work if the Mojave version is not normally in use until selected.

Red and Blue wrote:

I have a different vet related question. If I have the Mojave installer downloaded on my current MacBook which initially came with and is still using Mojave, if I get the latest MacBook with the new chips, can I create a partition weather with boot camp or not, to install Mojave so I can use a particular 32-bit recording app that I need? I just realized, even so, using it for scheduled recordings may not work if the Mojave version is not normally in use until selected.

Not without effort. You can’t boot Mojave on M1 natively, nor can you boot an operating system for Intel x86-64 as a guest under Parallels Desktop or VMware Fusion.

What you’re looking for here is usually called emulation, and Mac emulates Intel x86-64 apps but not a full operating system for x86-64, and Parallels Desktop doesn’t implement an Intel x86-64 emulator.

While the two can be combined, hardware emulation is distinct from hardware virtualization.

Only option I’m aware of that might work here is UTM, which is a hypervisor based on QEMU. UTM includes both virtualization and emulation, and you might be able to get Mojave loaded with that, as a hypervisor guest, and might be able to then get the app to work. Maybe. I would not expect this configuration to perform all that well, assuming it works.

But… Realistically… You’re probably going to need to replace that older 32-bit app either on macOS or else-platform, and will probably then need keep an Intel Mac around until you do.

I see there were a few dictation typos in my question, but you got the idea. Yes, it sounds unworkable that way. I was planning on getting a new MacBook and keeping my current mid-2018 maxed out MacBook which I have kept in Mojave, even though it's only two and a half years old, to keep as long as I can for the main purpose of using the app to record. I actually have a working mid-2012 MacBook with a slightly earlier version of the obsolete recording software which I never updated past Mavericks because I thought it would not be compatible. When I got the 2018 MacBook it turned out that a slightly newer, but still obsolete version of the software worked with it, but then I ran into the same issue in a definitive way I'm a current MacBook, not being unable to upgrade past Mojave because of the 32-bit app issue. There may be an alternative, because the Elgato EyeTV software I'm using, which was discontinued in the United States by the company and then the rights sold to a Chinese company named Geniatech, apparently, finally has a version that works with 64-bit, and retains the same software, that requires their tuners, which is okay, but I have to check out the details. And that new version of EyeTV doesn't works with the Silicon Dust Homerun Wi-Fi tuner that I have started using in the last year, which is more convenient than a USB tuner.

The older version of EyeTV is 32-bit, and obviously headed for replacement.

Newer versions of EyeTV did get to 64-bit, but dropped various tuners from the supported hardware list.

SiliconDust has an app, if you use their HDHomeRun tuners.

HDHomeRun was—when last i checked—one of the tuners dropped from newer EyeTV versions, too.

MythTV can be a potential option.

I wouldn’t prefer to run EyeTV via emulation.

I gather EyeTV wouldn't work too well with simulation or a virtual machine (I'm not sure what the difference is between simulation and virtual).

HD HomeRun was dropped from the newer versions of EyeTV, as was the Pinnacle PCTV tuner which is what I use also. Supposedly the new Eye TV tuners come with EyeTV software, but it is unclear if the 64 bit version 4 is actually available, and if it works in the United States, and how well it works.

Isn't some sort of emulation what Windows was doing the first part of its lifespan? And eventually the hardware became fast enough that it wasn't obvious, until they changed the architecture completely so it was more inherent?

I explained it in my post. Just buy the regular license for Windows and put it in. It does activate.

How much does it cost? Hmmm.... let me see.... the same license as x64 Windows... how much is that? Seriously. That's all you need to do.

If you need fully supported product you can call Microsoft for, you're SOL. But judging by your response, you probably call them a lot, so maybe you just are better off not buying it since you need so much help.

I've never called technical support in Microsoft even going back to DOS 6, Windows 3.1, WIndows 95, 98, ME, 2000, NT 4, XP, Vista, Win7, Win8, WIn 10, or 11. So it's not really important to me.

But clearly that's important to you so don't buy it then. I'm betting the customer service people are happy you're not calling them.