iPhone 13 Camera is blurry

Yes, if you can figure out a way to magically take low light photos or videos without noise, you will be rich beyond your wildest dreams.

I often need to take existing light photos with my DSLR and many are unusable due to sensor noise.

I’m not sure what magic you expect Apple to be able to perform; “night mode” is already near magic itself.

The People have NOT spoken, unless you've queried the more than 50,000,000 iPhone 13 owners out there. Have you? So there are some threads representing an insignificant minority of iPhone owners, most of whom have completely unrealistic expectations and often poor grasp of photography in general.

Posting links to these threads proves literally and utterly nothing. What's your point anyway? This is a user only forum. No one here designed the cameras in iPhone. If it makes you feel better to try to validate your unhappiness with the results of your photos by suggesting "the people have spoken," you've not proven anything. There are literally millions upon millions upon millions of users with iPhone 13, who are out enjoying their new phones, but those people are never going to camp out here.

> The People have NOT spoken, unless you've queried the more than 50,000,000 iPhone 13 owners out there. Have you? So there are some threads representing an insignificant minority of iPhone owners, most of whom have completely unrealistic expectations and often poor grasp of photography in general.

So what you and the other 2 individuals, who keep trying to dismiss the issue are implying. Is that we are all delusional? Maybe you can show an example of these "unrealistic expectations".

You're numbers are also wrong. Apple sold 50M smartphones (meaning all variants even previous gens) NOT 50M iPhone 13s.

How do I know? I work with wall street quants and analysts. If you can cite a source that Apple did indeed sell 50M iPhone 13s in Q3 2021. Then you have material info that nobody in wall street have. I know you won't be able to produce that source. I don't get why you guys are patronizing users who are just wondering what's going on with our devices.

> There are literally millions upon millions upon millions of users with iPhone 13, who are out enjoying their new phones

Let's use our own logic here... How do you know this? Have you "queried" the millions of iPhone 13 users? See, that's the flaw with using logical fallacies like such as Whataboutism... I like to stay objective so I only say things that I can substantiate. Hence why I linked the threads of other users having the same problem. Anything else is just subjective.

jbolus wrote:

You're numbers are also wrong. Apple sold 50M smartphones (meaning all variants even previous gens) NOT 50M iPhone 13s.

Gartner says Apple sold almost 80 million iPhones in Q4 of 2020 alone:

Estimates are that Apple has sold over 1.9 Billion iPhones since they were first introduced and that there are around 1 Billion active iPhone users worldwide:

https://backlinko.com/iphone-users

According to Reuters:

Jeff Fieldhack, research director for Counterpoint Research, said the reported Apple production cut could also be part of the iPhone maker's normal launch process of over-ordering devices to be prepared for an initial customer rush and then trimming orders as sales trends become clearer.

Fieldhack said iPhone 13 sales appear to be healthy and higher than last year's iPhone 12, and Counterpoint is not changing its estimate of 85 million to 90 million iPhone 13 sales for the fourth quarter.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-set-slash-iphone-production-due-chip-crunch-bloomberg-news-2021-10-12/

> Gartner says Apple sold almost 80 million iPhones in Q4 of 2020 alone:

@lobsterghost1 said "50,000,000 iPhone 13 owners out there" Your numbers are also wrong, since you both quoted "iPhones" not "iPhone 13s". A slight but important detail. Since Apple currently offer 5 different variants.

In addition, the non-pro models are usually the best selling by a significant margin. So how will those users enable RAW to get around this issue. Since it's not available on those devices?

> Estimates are that Apple has sold over 1.9 Billion iPhones since they were first introduced and that there are around 1 Billion active iPhone users worldwide:

Again iPhones != iPhone 13. Please stay on topic. People on this thread are having issues with the iPhone 13. Not every single iPhone ever sold. 🤦‍♂️

Fieldhack said iPhone 13 sales appear to be healthy and higher than last year's iPhone 12, and Counterpoint is not changing its estimate of 85 million to 90 million iPhone 13 sales for the fourth quarter.

We are just a week into Q4 2021. In case you haven't noticed. So @lobsterghost1 comment implies Q3 (September 24-Nov 7) numbers. Do you have that data that suggest that Apple have sold 50M iPhone 13s (not iPhones in general) ?

jbolus wrote:

> Gartner says Apple sold almost 80 million iPhones in Q4 of 2020 alone:

@lobsterghost1 said "50,000,000 iPhone 13 owners out there" Your numbers are also wrong, since you both quoted "iPhones" not "iPhone 13s". A slight but important detail. Since Apple currently offer 5 different variants.

Now you're being pedantic. No one typically says iPhone 13 to refer only to the iPhone 13 model. If you want to be that way I for one will say "iPhone 13 family device" from now on. It still doesn't change the fact that it's likely there are 50M+ iPhone 13 family device owners.

In addition, the non-pro models are usually the best selling by a significant margin. So how will those users enable RAW to get around this issue. Since it's not available on those devices?

They have to shop and purchase the device that best suits their needs. If they are so into photography and this is such a big issue, they would discover it during the 14 day return period.

> Estimates are that Apple has sold over 1.9 Billion iPhones since they were first introduced and that there are around 1 Billion active iPhone users worldwide:

Again iPhones != iPhone 13. Please stay on topic. People on this thread are having issues with the iPhone 13. Not every single iPhone ever sold. 🤦‍♂️

You're the one who stated:

Apple sold 50M smartphones (meaning all variants even previous gens)

We are just a week into Q4 2021. In case you haven't noticed. So @lobsterghost1 comment implies Q3 (September 24-Nov 7) numbers. Do you have that data that suggest that Apple have sold 50M iPhone 13s (not iPhones in general) ?

The fact that introductory sales sold out current production, so it's very likely Apple sold a similar number of phones during the launch months? The number is certainly a reasonable estimate.

Anything more would be speculation.

If you’re talking about low light photos on the iPhone with noise, yeah I don’t expect a ton from it.

But if you’re talking lowlight photos with little to no noise in general? Any fixed/prime lens with low aperture should do it. I have a 35mm 1.8 f-stop lens and it takes crisp, clear pictures in lowlight.

This screenshot does not show any sort of mention of perhaps using smaller numbers for conciseness and easier representation of data. So in that case, you are wrong. This says, 80,000. 80 thousand. That is NOT 80 million.

isazavakos wrote:

But if you’re talking lowlight photos with little to no noise in general? Any fixed/prime lens with low aperture should do it. I have a 35mm 1.8 f-stop lens and it takes crisp, clear pictures in lowlight.

ISO 10000.

isazavakos wrote:

This screenshot does not show any sort of mention of perhaps using smaller numbers for conciseness and easier representation of data. So in that case, you are wrong. This says, 80,000. 80 thousand.

Read the caption immediately above the table which states the numbers are given in thousands of units sold.

80,000 x 1000 = 80 million.

It was a few days ago and just came across a Yahoo page. It suggested 50 million had already been sold, but was also saying that Apple had planned to sell 90M phone through the end of year, but with chip shortages, the number would have to be reduced to about 83 million. I tried to find the article, but can’t find it right now.

I am so lucky I noticed issues with photos before I went to UPD to drop off my old iPhone 11 Pro Max. I ended up returning the 13 and kept my old phone only because photos are very natural. Apple Genius Bar techs deny acknowledging the issue.

Seriously? Just to not get painted in faces? Can’t be true.

It doesn’t do it always, there seems to be some kind of scene detection and I have only seen this on female faces so far. Also adds an orange contour around the lips 🙈 looks so hilarious.

You may not care about numbers, but be assured Apple does. And for Apple to take notice, there needs to be huge numbers of people complaining about something to promote change. A vocal minority may not be enough. But feel free to continue your crusade for change. I'm not saying the systems are perfect. There is no such thing as a perfect camera system or the processing of photos.

Ps: You can post all the samples you want. That means little to me. I didn't take the photos. If I did, I can tell myself what may have gone wrong or not. I'm not impressed by photos taken by others.

Didn't you find amazing that what means little to you can mean a lot to others? 😄🎉

i m not sharing the samples for you only, but for all the users here :)

It s not about having a perfect camera. it s that in this case, in my opinion, iPhone 13 pro camera hardware can produce even better shots with a different and less aggressive post processing.

not starting a crusade but i m working with professional photographers, i have experience, it's 15 years i m using Apple products for personal and professional, so i'm outlining this and doing my part 🌈

Long live the minorities!😉

ps. they recently added the Auto Macro toggle so i m hoping for HDR and noise reduction too