I can't find any cause for this being the case despite hours of searching, and I would truly appreciate any assistance. This is having a very negative effect on my ability to produce music, and is incredibly frustrating as I don't see any reason for Logic to be doing this.
Thanks
iMac 27″, macOS 10.15
Hmm, what I'd do at this point is:
1) Bypass all plugins on drums tracks to rule out that it's an issue or a setting in plugins used, and
2) Check if there's any automation enabled on these tracks.
You may also open "Drum Kit Designer" plugin window and go to "Controls" view, like so:
Try to tweak controls to see if any of them allows you to return panning back to normal.
Hmm, what I'd do at this point is:
1) Bypass all plugins on drums tracks to rule out that it's an issue or a setting in plugins used, and
2) Check if there's any automation enabled on these tracks.
You may also open "Drum Kit Designer" plugin window and go to "Controls" view, like so:
Try to tweak controls to see if any of them allows you to return panning back to normal.
So, after looking into your drum MIDI parts a bit more (liking the groove, by the way), I see that there's a bunch of MIDI Controller events recorded there. Guess what they control? Yeah, it's panning (see the screenshot of Event List with Controller data singled out). Values are 16-17, which, if I understand MIDI data correctly, corresponds to panning stuff left. So, I suppose that might be messing up the pan for some of your drums.
Yeah, you have to select MIDI regions on a drum track to be able to see those pan Controller events. That's because that data is recorded into MIDI regions. And you're viewing Event info for tracks, as a whole, judging from your screenshot (if I'm not mistaken).
Could you describe your project briefly and what did you do before that issue occurred? Maybe make and post a screenshot of Logic's window with the drums track selected, as well as the Mixer section of the project (in Logic, press the "X" key to open Mixer).
You can make screenshot by using this global macOS key command: [Shift+Command+4] > then make selection of the screen area to be captured using your mouse or trackpad (press Esc key to exit screenshot selection mode to start again)
Actually, I'm talking about uploading the project file itself. I understand that you may be hesitant to share a project containing your original creative work, and that's totally fine. You could easily duplicate the project file (or folder, if that's how you prefer to save projects) by right/control-clicking on file name and choosing "Duplicate". Then open the duplicate in Logic and remove all the recorded parts, except maybe a small portion of the drums. Save the duplicate project under a different filename than your original project, compress the resulting file in a zip-archive (right/control-click and choose "Compress [project file name]..." and upload afterwards.
No worries at all. If you could outline the process of recording these MIDI parts in more detail, it may help in ID-ing the reason why these MIDI CC events ended up recorded. Let me know if deleting these Controller data helps with your panning issue. If not, we'll continue digging deeper.
Sorry, for some reason this site has been a bit slow and glitchy today, so I missed your previous post describing the recording process. Since you are programming drums manually and not recording using a MIDI controller, then it's not an external device that's causing this. Right now I have no idea what could possibly be the culprit.. And by the way, what's interesting, the presence of those pan Controller events did not affect the panning when I played back the project on my Mac. So go figure!
The difference is, I don't have surround sound mixing enabled, and also I don't have Thermal and one other plugin installed, that you have. These variables might as well be the reason you're having these panning issues.
As for deleting pan Controller events, basically you have to select all the regions on the drum track and then open the Event Editor and remove them there. You might have removed them from a region (or group of regions) that you had selected, but not all regions on the drums track. And that's why initially it was good and then went back to panning stuff left.
Well, it might be sent to Logic from a device which is generating these messages. Do you have any external devices in your setup?
Dodgy indeed! Now I'm really intrigued. Could you possibly upload the problematic project somewhere and share the link here? I guess, testing it on another machine is perhaps the best way to find out what's going on there.
Got it, thanks! So, after opening the file on my system the panning for drums is fine (no issues with the kick at all, or anything else for that matter). See the screenshot:
That already rules out the issue with your project, as it sounds fine in Logic on my machine. So, it's not something in the Environment, as I suspected. Let me analyze the project a bit more, will get back shortly.
Hi Dom, it was my pleasure to help you on that! Though it's still unclear whether this peculiar issue is over or not )) Anyway, just another idea. I tested your project on Logic ver 10.5.1. Could you tell, which version do you use?
And yeah, as suggested by yoyoBen above, you could also post a question on LPH board (or search it for previous discussions on the matter, at the very least).
No worries, glad to help. So you've ruled out that plugins are messing around with signal flow, that's a step in the right direction.
To open the plugin window, just click (or double-click) on the plugin slot (the blue one with "Drum Kit" written on it).
To toggle automation view ON/OFF use "A" key command in Track view.
No need to apologise...I do so appreciate your time and your expertise.
Please forgive the time it's taken me to respond....it's been a long day at work.
It seems this issue has us both a little bemused. It is indeed strange that the panning issue didn't occur on your machine despite the presence of the controller info. I did think about the Surround Sound option having an effect, and I have now turned it off. However it seems that any project with it initialised at the projects inception continues to require it's operation. For future projects I shall disable it and opt for stereo.
I don't think that the issue is with the Portal or Thermal plugins for two reasons. Firstly, I acquired them both very recently and the panning issue was happening before I got them, and secondly, I received them both from a music producer friend of mine, who uses an almost identical set up to mine, and he has had no issues.
I did realise [eventually!] that I needed to delete the panning info in the Event Editor for each of the regions, and having done this it did help to a degree, although there is still a bias towards the left of the stereo field on playback.
Hopefully opting for Stereo rather than Surround Sound will clear the issue in a new project, although it seems strange that the Surround Sound would give this kind of panning information to such specific drum sounds from the Producer Kits.
In a way I'm glad that this has you baffled too as it has perplexed me for some time.
I cannot thank you enough for your time and energy in giving me your assistance to try and figure this out. I have been most impressed by not only your expertise and your patience, but also with your kindness, and I am truly grateful to you and I am in your debt.
Wishing you all the best in all your endeavours
Dom
Thank you so much for getting back to me and for you suggestion....I truly appreciate it.
In this project I'm using the producer kits as I'm trying to simulate a real drummer, and the sounds are excellent and eminently editable. This is not the first time this issue has happened. Previously I have worked around the issue by panning hard in the opposite direction, but in doing this clarity and quality suffer. It seems to now be a constant feature, and I can think of nothing I have done to cause this to happen. As the screen shot shows the pan controls are set to the center, but as the meters show the sound, in this example, show the bass drum panned to the left.
Thanks again for your suggestions.
I've bypassed all plugins to no positive effect.
I'm not sure how to confirm if there is any automation on the tracks, although I don't believe at any point I've enabled anything on the tracks apart from effects.
I can't find how to open the drum kit designer plugin window, so I've not been able to check this either.
Thank you so much for your time...it is greatly appreciated.
Please help. My internal drum sounds are being hard panned to the left for no apparent reason
