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Is AEServer from Apple?

Is AEServer part of the MacOS?

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 12.2

Posted on Mar 1, 2022 10:20 AM

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Posted on Mar 1, 2022 11:29 AM

hands4 wrote:

Is AEServer part of the MacOS?

You can always right-click or command-click on those items. That will display a "Show in Finder" button. When you click on it, it will open a Finder window with the file selected. In this case, the file is deep within Apple's read-only operating system. So you can be sure it is safe.

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Mar 1, 2022 11:29 AM in response to hands4

hands4 wrote:

Is AEServer part of the MacOS?

You can always right-click or command-click on those items. That will display a "Show in Finder" button. When you click on it, it will open a Finder window with the file selected. In this case, the file is deep within Apple's read-only operating system. So you can be sure it is safe.

Mar 1, 2022 4:48 PM in response to hands4

It appears to be something Apple added to increase Security and Privacy >> Accessibility with no indication of where it came from or why I should or should not enable it.

It's the Apple Events Server. It has been around about as long as the Mac OS has supported remote Apple Events.

The AEServer was not added to increase Security and Privacy, but Apple added more security controls to it.

While it was created to handle Apple Events sent from remote Macs, I don't think it is necessarily remote Macs, anymore, but "remote" applications, too. I don't know if you can find anything that supports that statement, but I have no idea why it would be running without getting input from remote Macs.

Mar 1, 2022 10:36 AM in response to PRP_53

A simple "Yes" or "No" would be helpful. That article mentions using "AEServer" at a shell level. I'm trying to determine it's origin.


It appears to be something Apple added to increase Security and Privacy >> Accessibility with no indication of where it came from or why I should or should not enable it.


I assume it did come from Apple and I do not need to enable it unless I need it, which most people don't.


Yes or no?

Mar 1, 2022 11:00 AM in response to hands4

P.S.


Sorry for the terseness of my second reply.


I ask because everything I've ever seen Accessibility has come from a 3rd-party. So why would Is AEServer be an exception? And why would Apple put it there without me knowing where it came from, if it is safe to enable, and why I should do so? I would expect this sort of thing to be in an "Advanced" area, not one I would happen across as a normal user.


I'll summarize: I will assume it is from Apple; It would be safe to enable if I needed it; I don't need it; and that this point I don't need to know why I would need it.


Yes?

Mar 1, 2022 1:05 PM in response to etresoft

That's clear. Thanks.


Commentary:


Apple has been the champion at "It Just Works."; iTunes, iOS, and Apple's upgrade and installation systems are great examples. But now, I think I'll write to Apple to note how they are straying from "It Just Works."


Right clicking is good, but still not obvious. IMHO, they are increasingly expecting technical knowledge that "meer mortals" simply don't have. As in this case, these can be something new and weird that should remain hidden unless needed.


I consider myself to be reasonably schooled in Mac stuff. This is why I chose to question this odd new item. I worked on "It Just Works" in the Apple's Advanced Technology Group in the '80s. We were charged with choosing stuff that was important and difficult and making them Just Work.


I chose to research data protection. I created "Replicant" that silently backed up thousands of engineer's Mac each night. For restores, it presented them with a Finder window of a folder they chose and from a date that interested them. The engineers used if for a decade. I'm not sure how much Replicant influenced Time Machine. TM was a huge step forward in IJW! It Just Works to setup, backup, and restore (particularly when restoring from full data loses or to new Macs). Amazing.


Another example is iCloud Drive's Documents mirroring, which is a fantastic IJW data-protection achievement. It's saving more people's bacon than TM or any other data protection of which I know. However it's difficult to configure. You have to know where to find the options to enable it. You have to know how much iCloud capacity you need to purchase. And you have to decode what the heck is the function and value of "Optimize Mac Storage." (They try to explain that using a technical new rather than a function and value one.) I've helped people set it up. They had no clues regarding how and why.


I'm not saying making these IJW issues are easy to address, but this is Apple and I hold them to the IJW standards that have been part of what has made them great, very great. (They are still miles ahead of Windows.)


And thanks again for the clarification.

Mar 1, 2022 2:19 PM in response to hands4

hands4 wrote:

Right clicking is good, but still not obvious. IMHO, they are increasingly expecting technical knowledge that "meer mortals" simply don't have. As in this case, these can be something new and weird that should remain hidden unless needed.

I agree. There are quite a few similar behaviours in modern Apple operating systems. I don't know most of them. I'm surprised when someone mentioned them and then I forget it right away.


One I do remember is the hidden menu in Mail. There is a grey line between the header fields and the message content. If you mouse your pointer to the middle of the grey line, a hidden menu appears. You can delete, reply, reply all, forward, and most importantly, directly access any message attachments. Normally attachments are icons unless then can be represented as an image. But if they are an image (or image-like) then it can be difficult to find all of the attachments that may be scattered about and in various forms. This hidden menu makes it easy.


I consider myself to be reasonably schooled in Mac stuff. This is why I chose to question this odd new item. I worked on "It Just Works" in the Apple's Advanced Technology Group in the '80s. We were charged with choosing stuff that was important and difficult and making them Just Work.

I chose to research data protection. I created "Replicant" that silently backed up thousands of engineer's Mac each night. For restores, it presented them with a Finder window of a folder they chose and from a date that interested them. The engineers used if for a decade. I'm not sure how much Replicant influenced Time Machine. TM was a huge step forward in IJW! It Just Works to setup, backup, and restore (particularly when restoring from full data loses or to new Macs). Amazing.

That's cool! Have you ever looked at the "asr" command-line utility? In theory, it is supposed to be a way to backup and restore APFS containers.

And you have to decode what the heck is the function and value of "Optimize Mac Storage." (They try to explain that using a technical new rather than a function and value one.) I've helped people set it up. They had no clues regarding how and why.

I have a similar pet peeve about that control. The description is simply not true. If "Optimize Mac Storage" is enabled, you absolutely will not download the entire contents of your iCloud data, no matter how much free space you have.

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