Sharing photo albums changes their order

Having carefully curated hundreds of scanned legacy photographs into albums and ordered the slides therein by filename (creation date/time is meaningless for these) I find that if I share an album the order is ignored and the recipient does not see the album as intended. It's the same whether shared from MacOS or iOS.


The source photos are ordered the way I want them by having sequential filenames. My understanding is that although an album can be sorted in situ by 'Title' , Title is not the same as the filename, which I discovered to my cost. Fortunately, I came across an AppleScript which batch converts filename to title, so I can restore order in the album itself, but the script doesn't work its magic on the shared album –presumably because it's in iCloud, and the sort by title option is no longer available.


From other threads I gather that Apple changed Photos for Mac to use the iOS way of ordering things. Photos taken in iOS are de facto ordered chronologically so if your only photos are already digital then most of the time that will be fine. But Mac users who have been accumulating photographs the original way, using Photos.app doesn't seem a good proposition for sharing them with others.


Or am I missing something?

MacBook Pro (2020 and later)

Posted on Apr 14, 2022 8:17 AM

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Apr 14, 2022 8:58 AM in response to Chris Bunch

Hi


The photos in shared albums are shown in order of when they were added to the shared album. Unfortutately when you add a bunch of photos in one operation, the order they are copied into the album not controllable, so not possible to control the order.


The only way you can do it (and it is not workable for large albums) is to add the photos one at a time in the order you want them. I am not sure if it is first at the top, or first at the bottom, so if you go this way, check before adding a lot.

Apr 14, 2022 10:42 PM in response to Chris Bunch

I have created all shared albums by adding the photos one at a time to ensure the correct order to tell a story. But then my shared albums are very short, no more than 50 photos in one album, as I do not want to dump to many photos onto the devices of the subscribers. And I am adding a comment to the photo immediately when I am sharing it. When we share the photos individually, the caption is automatically added to the comment field. Adding a comment later can mix up the sort order of the public web page and the sorting will be lost again. One more thing - everytime we add a photo or a comment to a shared album, the subscribers will get an alert. We should be considerate and only invite subscribers, once the album is complete, or the subscribers might feel harrased, if they have already been invited while we are still creating the album.



Which system version is running on your Mac?

In Photos 7 on macOS 12 you can sort shared albums according to the date and time. It will sort them on your Mac, but not on the devices of the subscribers.


Chris Bunch wrote:
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The source photos are ordered the way I want them by having sequential filenames. .....
........But Mac users who have been accumulating photographs the original way, using Photos.app doesn't seem a good proposition for sharing them with others.

Are your photos scanned prints or slides? It helps a lot, if you manually tag scanned photos with a data and a location. This will sort them chronologically in your Photos Library and you can find them by the capture date in the Moments, Collections, Years (or in the more e recent versions of Photos in the Days, Months, Years).

When I am importing scanned prints or slides taken at the same day at the same location,

  • I arrange them in an album in a useful chronological sequence.
  • Then I try to guess a useful date and location and tag the first first photo in the album with this date (Image > Adjust Date & Time) and add a location by typing the name of the place into the Info, if the photo does not yet have a location. For most photos I use HoudahGeo to assign GPS coordinates before I import the photos.
  • Once the first photo in the album has been correctly tagged, I run an Apple Script to copy the date and the location to all other photos in the album. The time will be incremented by steps of one minute, so the photos will keep the order when sorted by the time (the script is imitating the batch change of the date and time from iPhoto). My script is here -it is lifting and stamping all metadata from the first photo, title, description, keywords, date and time, location: Script: Lift and Stamp all Metadata from … - Apple Community . If you only want to batch change the date and time, try this: Script: Batch Change the Date and Time to a Fixed Date


As your dates and times are in the filename, you could try to adapt this script to copy the dates from the filename to the date files: Steven Weyhrich's Script: ApplesScript to batch change date of scanned photos based on filename - reformatted


For shared albums it will only help on macOS 12 Monterey, the first system version to allow to sort Shared albums by the capture date, but properly tagging the scanned photos with the capture date and time and locations is making them much more accessible in the library. I am even tagging the sans withs the name of the camera model and the lens, if I remember which camera I used to take the photos. Modifying EXIF tags of Originals Using exiftool: camera, lens, gps




Apr 15, 2022 8:18 AM in response to TonyCollinet

TonyCollinet wrote:

Shared albums don't really form a well integrated part of the "Photos" system in my opinion.

You might find it easier to use something like (eg) google photos for sharing images. Export your album to a folder. Upload to google photos. Share. Done.

Yes, I'm coming to that opinion too. I also use Flickr Pro but it's not easy to use either.

Apr 15, 2022 5:15 AM in response to léonie

Thank you @léonie. I am using Photos.app 7.0 under Monterey 12.3.1. I have been sorting albums by right-clicking the album name in the left sidebar and choosing the sort option, but there is no sort option there for shared albums. I've just noticed that the Sort option in the View menu does have a sort option for shared albums. A bit of UI inconsistency there, I think.


I still have originals for most of my legacy conventional photographs that I scanned a while back. It is easy to discern the chronological order (if not the date/time) from negative strips. Now that I'm working with slides, cardboard mounts from Kodak happily have a sequence number but batches of plastic-mounted slides don't so for scans of these I work out a meaningful (to me) sequence and rename them with YYY-MM-# using A Better Finder Rename.


I'll follow up on your suggestions. I have been using the script you referred to in Convert filename to title in Photos - Apple Community. It works on albums but not shared albums. I'll look at the Weyhrich script to see if that approach helps.



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