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Sorting is terribly broken: Apple Music's custom Album Artist and Artist sort fields not consistently honored in same program or across platforms

Hi, anybody have any ideas for fixing this?


Quick backstory: I spent 10 years working at a record store where I alphabetized musical artists daily, and I am also old enough to have grown up using actual phone books. For those two reasons I absolutely believe all artist names should be sorted by last name, not first name, and for years I have used Apple's provided tools (Album Artist sort and Artist sort) to ensure my music library is organized in this way. BTW I have no problem with folks not agreeing with my sorting philosophy, but please don't argue it. Let's all organize our own collections as we see fit and as Apple allows us to do.


So anyway, now I am finding that Apple Music only honors my custom sort fields when it feels like it, and it changes within the same app (macos Library->Artists view vs. Library->Albums view) and across platforms (macOS vs iOS).

For what it's worth, I've recently changed Apple IDs (long story) and this is a fresh Apple Music library rebuilt by hand, from scratch, just about a month ago. No crufty data here.


Here I demonstrate Apple Music's Artists view inconsistently honoring my custom Album Artist sort data. First on macOS:




Then on iOS:




And here is macOS again, this time in Library->Albums view, but now finally choosing to honor my custom Album Artist sort fields! I see this as proof I've entered them all correctly:



but wait, there's more! iOS Apple Music FAILS to honor my custom sort fields in the same view!




For what it's worth this is on the latest macOS 12.6 and iOS 16.0.2.


Thanks for any insight you can provide!


Posted on Sep 27, 2022 9:30 AM

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Posted on Sep 27, 2022 5:14 PM

So I figured this out.


Bob Marley & The Wailer's "Legend" was one of my albums with a botched Album Artist sort. It kept showing up under B in Library->Artists instead of M.


Coincidentally I noticed I had songs downloaded from 3 other albums of his that weren't in my Library... or so I thought. They were in Apple's Roots Reggae Essentials playlist.


On a whim I removed the playlist from my Library and instantly Bob Marley sorted correctly in Library->Artists.


So yeah, metadata from songs in random Apple Music playlists that you add to your library will apparently always botch your custom sort order. And the metadata in those songs is not editable.


Definitely still a bug, but it's nice to know finally what's going on and why it appears so random.


I suppose I'll file a feedback now to close the loop.

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Sep 27, 2022 5:14 PM in response to turingtest2

So I figured this out.


Bob Marley & The Wailer's "Legend" was one of my albums with a botched Album Artist sort. It kept showing up under B in Library->Artists instead of M.


Coincidentally I noticed I had songs downloaded from 3 other albums of his that weren't in my Library... or so I thought. They were in Apple's Roots Reggae Essentials playlist.


On a whim I removed the playlist from my Library and instantly Bob Marley sorted correctly in Library->Artists.


So yeah, metadata from songs in random Apple Music playlists that you add to your library will apparently always botch your custom sort order. And the metadata in those songs is not editable.


Definitely still a bug, but it's nice to know finally what's going on and why it appears so random.


I suppose I'll file a feedback now to close the loop.

Sep 27, 2022 10:52 AM in response to kimballisms

The "artist" sort order should be controlled in the following order of precedence. Sort Album Artist, Album Artist, Sort Artist, Artist. (Ignoring the classic range which doesn't process Album Artist.) By default the sort fields may auto-populate with leading articles (a/an/the - or national equivalents) removed from the main value.


iTunes and Music show a combination of your unhidden purchase history, your iCloud Music Library (if you have a subscription to Apple Music or iTunes Match) and any locally stored media. While your metadata ought to take precedence in practice it seems that the library or device may "refresh" with the data that exists in the store. You can hide your purchases in the store where you notice that this is an issue, and thereafter your own preferred values should be used. One last possible vector for inconsistencies might be the multiple tags issue discussed in Repair security permissions for iTunes/Music for Mac - Apple Community.


In iTunes or Music on your Mac it may sometimes help to hold down option+cmd as you launch the app in order to open it in its safe mode. This may rebuild various internal indices such as those that handle sort order.


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Sep 27, 2022 11:17 AM in response to Jimzgoldfinch

Interesting! Unfortunately that didn't work for me. Removing the Album Artist did not re-set John Mayer's position sorting position.


I also changed the Artist name to "Mayer, John" and it resorted into the Ms immediately. However, switching it back to the proper "John Mayer" with "Mayer, John" as the custom sort immediately placed it back in the Js, despite my custom sort.


So strange!

Sep 27, 2022 11:34 AM in response to turingtest2

Thank you for the detailed response.


Unfortunately I've already hidden all of my past purchases, so that shouldn't be affecting things. Also, I've never purchased a John Mayer album. My collection consists of 99% modern Apple Music streaming files (with a few rare gems imported from CD, none at issue here).


I tried the repairing permissions trick and then editing the sort order for John Mayer again. Interestingly, the sort did not respond immediately, but upon re-opening Apple Music he finally showed correctly under M for Mayer!


Also interestingly, Apple Music no longer links him with their cloud-based John Mayer. He no longer has a profile icon in the Artists view, even though his actual artist name is still John Mayer.


So weird. I appreciate the flexibility Apple is giving us, but man, this is buggy as ****.

Sep 27, 2022 12:15 PM in response to turingtest2

So in the end I didn't appreciate that the legit Apple Music files were now "unlinked" from Apple Music, at least in the Artists view. So I removed the albums from my Library entirely, rebooted, and redownloaded them.


Now John Mayer sorts properly when adding Mayer, John as the Album Artist sort field. Bob Marley & The Wailers, however, demands to be sorted under B no matter what I do, or how many times I remove the album and re-add it.


Also Music crashed twice during all of this, and split a few of my existing & unrelated-to-all-this albums into multiple entries.


THANKS APPLE!


Finally, custom covers is actually one of my more successful edits. For the most part I'm able to get the covers I want synced to all my devices, overriding the Apple Music covers. It often takes 2-3 attempts though.

Sep 27, 2022 12:39 PM in response to turingtest2

Thanks, yeah I see the split album issue every few months so fixing it is second nature now. Interestingly, one of the John Mayer albums I re-added instantly split upon adding to my library, with one of the split tracks that was added being a single that isn't even available in my region to download, and that also was never even a track on the album to begin with. Man, I should have taken a screenshot of that before fixing it. The album was continuum.


I'm beginning to suspect Apple's entire database has no actual primary keys or unique IDs for albums/songs, and everything is actually just a house of cards built on carefully crafted artist/album name queries that power users see fail in way too many corner cases. Well, I know it falls apart for everyone, but we're the only ones who notice! 😜

Sep 28, 2022 7:43 AM in response to Lovecross

Haha yup, Herbie's out of order. Darn, the cause I identified is not triggering the issue 100% of the time. He IS correctly sorted on macOS in Library->Artists, but not on iOS, and both have the "Jazz in Spatial Audio" playlist with a few extra Herbie Hancock songs. Sigh... I'm giving up on this. It's not like an actual human will ever read my Feedback that I filed anyway.

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