Why "login items" notifications pop up while there's no app listed on startup or background?

Depending on the app, you may perhaps have some cache material still on your device...Often Google/Chrome products act in this fashion, even after "the app is deleted" AND it's deleted from the trash. I would recommend clearing your computer browser history, cookies, and cache. If you use Safari, I'd recommend

Open the Safari app

Bookmarks menu tab > scroll down and then click on > Edit Bookmarks

> opens Bookmarks Editor

> delete any Favorites or Bookmarks you may have associated with the app

> This includes any Reading List & Shared with You items

History menu tab > click on the first result > Show all History

> opens History Editor

> delete any listed web history that may have been associated with the app.

Safari menu tab > click Settings... > a new pop up window should appear

> Extensions menu tab.

> uninstall any extensions that may have been associated with the app

> Search menu tab

> under Smart Search Field click on Quick Website Search > Manage Websites

> delete the sites that were connected to your app.

> Security menu tab

> Disable Javascript(uncheck the box) (at least do this temporarily)

> Privacy menu tab

> Cookies and Website Data > Manage Website Data

> In this instance, I would click Remove All. You will have to log back in to all websites again the next time you visit, and certain sites might be a tad slower yielding search results or displaying certain images. this is normal. It is actually good practice to clean up your Mac History, Cookies, and Cache like this about every 2 months or so (depending on device usage). Apps and Websites use cookies and cache to perform better for you individually based on your usage. They unfortunately can be annoying i.e. sending a login/ startup notification.

Hopefully this helps?

I agree, apple needs to provide a solution.

After trying many things, I thought uninstalling extensions would be my final attempt at this. Unfortunately the notifications continue to pop up every few minutes!

It's really disappointing that macOS is only targeted for handful of devices also which is their own house devices still they are struggling with their OS each and every year having comical bugs all around. Personally I am sort of tired of this. Just push a stable OS in the market. We as a consumer do not want your fancy new OS updates with new names every year.

Jacobx wrote:

Actually etresoft is spot on - part of this issue and what produces extreme annoyance is that there isn’t a clear way to disable the repetitive notifications. Not a separate issue.

It appears that the repetitive notifications are the result of 3rd party software that is loading launch agents or daemons whenever an app is run, or at startup. I don't know if they are doing this in response to Ventura giving users the ability to disable these tasks, or if they simply don't know how the system works.

The problem is that there are different 3rd party apps that are doing this. There is no way to tell which ones are causing the problem. Sometimes users have their notifications setup to display virtually nothing. Other times, Apple's new interface only tells users that an app is running "open" or "osascript", which is totally useless.

The only thing that is certain is that anyone chiming in with a "me too" response on any thread that you didn't write, is a waste of time. It will not help in any way. It will only confuse the person who started the thread and confuse anyone else who comes by and reads it.

Literally all you have to do is ask about your own problem. Maybe post a screenshot. Maybe follow up with other information that is requested. People who do that get the problem fixed.

trinity_flight wrote:

Your continuous negative commentary is counter productive.

Oh is it now?

If you don't have a solution get off the thread or provide a possible work around.

In fact, I have solved this problem for 8 different people. But those people started their own questions and provided information about their own specific problem.

VideoGuy411 wrote:

Now we just need a solution. It's clearly an Apple update issue. No one had these problems until the update.

Apple certainly made major changes to both the technical implementation of launchd tasks, and more importantly, to the overall expectation between end users and 3rd party developers about how this system is supposed to work.

It's not really an "update issue". It's much bigger than that. Therefore, it is unlikely that Apple is going to simply roll back all these changes. There may be improvements in future updates, but that's strictly a guess. I can definitely say that I see no indication that any developers are complaining about this problem on the Apple developer forums.

In fact, very few people have this problem at all. Plenty of those people are finding solutions. They just aren't posting "me too" replies in threads like this. They are starting their own questions about their own problems. They are providing information about exactly what is happening and what changes they have made. In most cases, we are able to identify exactly what software is causing the problem. Uninstalling that software then fixes the problem.

If you aren't willing to do that. Then I'm afraid your only option is to simply wait for Ventura version 13.2 and hope it fixes the problem. It might. But then if it doesn't, you're back to square one.

I am convinced the the end user can't solve this issue!

Sure you can. You just have to completely uninstall the app you installed to do something for you, and has always done so in the background, but now you have been made aware it is actually doing the thing you wanted in the background.

Figuring out what the malfunctioning app happens to be can be difficult. It is one you had to install and enter your admin password.

You can’t “fix” it by disabling all notifications. You can’t “fix” it by disabling the background item you asked it to run when you installed it.

If you need the app that is repeatedly installing a background process causing the privacy notification, you need to ask the developer to fix their software.

mac-eng-212 wrote:

The fact that the suggestion here is 'deal with it, Apple unilaterally changed their API to ruin your experience, and you should learn to live with it' reminds me much more of a certain other OS that I ditched in favor of OSX years ago. You'd think they could recognize that 100+ of the same notification could easily be made one stationary stack in the UI.

I don't know where you got that idea. This problem can be solved, it just happens to be very difficult for anyone who doesn't have extremely detailed knowledge of how macOS and its launchd system works, which is practically no one.

The expectation isn't that users should "learn to live with it". The expectation is that users will stop using any apps that are causing this problem. These 3rd party launchd tasks are something that only exists on macOS, not iOS. Since macOS is rapidly behind phased out in favour of iOS, this is just this year's mechanism to clean out more of the old chaff.

Unfortunately, I do not know of any way for a normal end user to solve this problem. The "solution" is to uninstall the software that causes it. But it just so happens that software that causes this problem also just happens to be software that can be difficult or impossible to properly uninstall, at least for an end user. Various "app zappers" and "clean up" tools can make it easier, or can completely corrupt your system requiring a full hard drive erase and reinstall.

And I'm getting really tired of typing all this. You are totally correct. This is a nightmare.

Jacobx wrote:

My IT team told me to 1. reinstall system software (ugh) or 2. try to create a new user login (also time consuming). Will try those.

If you have an IT team at your disposal, they should be able to fix this for you.

I disabled all log in items. Mow it is the "Login Item" message coming up two at a time and adding up. Hopefully, Apple will do something about this. I am watching this space for some solutions from devs.

I disabled all log in items. Mow it is the "Login Item" message coming up two at a time and adding up.

So, you turned off something you told to turn on when you installed it. It thinks you want it to run, so it tries to run what you told it to run but now can't. As you discovered, disabling the background process makes it worse.

The things that run background processes that cause the notification normally do not show up in that Login Items list, so turning those off does nothing to affect the app causing the notifications.

The way to stop the notifications is to uninstall the app you installed that is running the background process.

The app is trying to dutifully fulfill its function for which you installed it, but it no longer can. It continues to try to run the background process you told it to run. It has no knowledge of the setting you turned off because it was created long before that system was created.

I'm having the same problem too. I usually wouldn't post that fact, but I know it will annoy that etrasoft guy. I also know that Apple does not care and they won't do anything about it. As long as they're selling their iPhones.

It had nothing to do with an application. I don’t know why ppl keep trying to blame it on an app. The issue is and has always been notifications. I hate notifications on computer and even on my iPhone.

For information, I've just updated to OS 13.2, and the problem remains.

Well, you've disabled them all, so they are all trying to reinstall their broken background processes. None of them understand Ventura's allowing you to disable their background processes, so all they can assume is they are broken and they try to fix themselves.

You’ll need to uninstall the Apps that are causing the notifications. Check to see if they have an update. If not, you can try reinstalling them. That might resolve the problem, but may not. You will get a notification when they first run the background process, but it might stop the subsequent ones.