Why "login items" notifications pop up while there's no app listed on startup or background?

I deleted and inactivated all the apps in System Preferences/General/Login Items but "Login Items" notifications keep popping up. There is no app info in the notifications. Just says "Login Items"...


What and why is that?

MacBook Air 13″, macOS 13.1

Posted on Dec 13, 2022 4:12 PM

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Posted on Nov 25, 2023 3:37 PM

Jay Gamel wrote:

... What I would like to know is why apple cannot identify the offending app and include it in the notice. Obviously, the warnings are issued on a specific instance related to a specific app.


You're right, but identifying the app in question can become very challenging, particularly for apps that a user installed under the guise of something "free" — for example, products specifically designed to harvest personal information and / or deliver targeted interest-based advertisements that accrue revenue simply by loading a webpage.


People have been plucking that poison fruit for years, but the creeping incremental nature of such things appears to have motivated Apple to finally Do something!!!™ exactly as users have been clamoring for them to do, and for at least that long.


Well, guess what? They got what they asked for. Apple's implementation of it is imperfect, but if I had a better idea I'd be sure to recommend it. Or, I'd develop it myself.


Which brings us to:


I am not a programmer so I don't understand what prevents the app ID from being recorded and reported.


Mac users are not expected to be programmers. They aren't even expected to know much about computers or anything else of a technical nature. They just want to use their magical Apple stuff and not have it get in the way of doing whatever it is they need them for.


So, what about inexplicable annoyances regarding mysterious login items, or intrusive dialogs like "<suspicious_app> may damage your Mac" that result as a consequence of a Mac user installing something they may have long since forgotten about?


Fortunately, some of us are programmers and are very good at it. EtreCheck can help identify what those apps may be, and will help others suggest what to examine and / or delete at the user's discretion. To learn how to use it and how to post its report in a reply to this Discussion or any other, please read How to use the Add Text Feature When Posting Large Amounts of Text, i.e. an Etrecheck Report - Apple Community.


By the way I have not read all nine pages of this Discussion. If EtreCheck was recommended elsewhere I wouldn't know. When a Discussion gets this long and convoluted few people will be sufficiently motivated to study it in any depth, so if it was already suggested it's probably a good idea to reiterate it anyway.

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Jan 18, 2023 7:48 AM in response to olcayche

I wanted to chime in say that I just upgraded to Ventura 13.1 and this issue is nightmarish. I've had to sacrifice 1/3 of my external monitors to these endless notifications that keep popping up no matter what I do. It's like a zombie movie where I keep shooting the bad guy, but it just won't die.


I use my mac for development and cannot just close the program triggering the notification, nor is it a good idea to go mucking around in unix binaries to try and find the offending line of code without touching anything else.


The fact that the suggestion here is 'deal with it, Apple unilaterally changed their API to ruin your experience, and you should learn to live with it' reminds me much more of a certain other OS that I ditched in favor of OSX years ago. You'd think they could recognize that 100+ of the same notification could easily be made one stationary stack in the UI.

Feb 6, 2023 4:12 AM in response to Real Mccoy

Real Mccoy wrote:

You are right it has to do with apps. But your fix is to remove all the apps I need to do my work or others task.

apple needs to fix the issue. It’s a bug that happened 2 updates ago. The last update didn’t fix the issue.

Uninstalling and reinstalling the app has fixed it for some. The other fix is contact the developer and tell them to fix their software to work with Ventura. If you’re using an app, that’s no longer supported or poorly, supported, find something else.

Feb 11, 2023 4:23 PM in response to srfleming

I went thru and turned everything off and rebooted and they still keep coming back.

Well, that makes them come back.

You have to uninstall the apps that are running the background processes.

Reinstalling the apps might cause them to work correctly. But, if you turn off the background process you installed the app to run, it will just repair itself and you will get another notification.

Feb 23, 2023 1:34 PM in response to olcayche

Could be adware. I've had this problem and used... I don't know if I can mention the name of the software I used, I've gotten in trouble before for doing that. In any case there are programs out there which can remove spyware and adware from your device. Works beautifully! Careful however some of these programs can cause more trouble than they solve.

Mar 5, 2023 3:39 PM in response to etresoft

etresoft wrote:

These 3rd party launchd tasks are something that only exists on macOS, not iOS. Since macOS is rapidly behind phased out in favour of iOS, this is just this year's mechanism to clean out more of the old chaff.

macOS is not being rapidly “phased out in favour of iOS”, and you conflating their cleaning out “more of the old chaff” with that baseless speculation is just nonsense. I've used Macs since 2003, and I've seen Apple do precisely that for almost two decades now with a lot of their own APIs and frameworks… They had to phase out Classic Mac OS-related technologies, such as Carbon, and now they're phasing out NeXTSTEP-related ones; it's all part of their 10-year-ish technological cycle (look at how their processor transitions went for a frame of reference), and the fact that iOS-derived or even pure iOS ones are being used in macOS, and even the mess that is running iOS and iPadOS apps on macOS, doesn't mean anything about the latter's future (as a matter of fact, their relative unpopularity among die-hard Mac users further cements macOS's standing in the market).


This is just Apple really cleaning up shop (you at least got that part right, I'll give it to you), and taking advantage of yet some more economies of scale for their own OS engineers and opening those up to third-party developers. There will be extremely lazy ones who'll just make iOS/iPadOS apps available for the Mac, others will use Electron or Catalyst and do a terrible job at optimizing them, and others still will create proper Mac apps from the ground up, regardless of what frameworks they use.


Yeah, the day Apple gets rid of macOS and forces me to use an iPad, or run iPadOS on a Mac (or at least iPadOS in its current state, and without opening the app distribution marketplace – as they will be forced to in many jurisdictions anyway before said OS is even ready for desktop computers, incidentally, so there's some hope there), is the day I go back to a Windows PC. And Apple engineers, execs, etc. know perfectly well I'm not the only one who would do that; most recent and even old-time PC switchers, and even some old-time, all-time Mac users would, too. Using Steve Jobs's “truck analogy”, there are still trucks on the road, am I right? And while Apple did kill off servers, they're already on their third “server” iteration, with their rack-mountable, “cheese grater 2.0” Mac Pro, which may very well be killed off this month, so it's not exactly something that ever really stuck or was in their design and market DNA. Macs are wildly successful because they strike the perfect balance between simplicity and complexity/hackability, all these stupid bugs, oversights and forced transitions notwithstanding.

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