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Black windows in Safari and Mail in Ventura OS

Recently I have been seeing the contents of my Safari tabs and Mail windows turn black (and unreadable). I have a lot of windows open in each of the applications. Windows that were previously opened seem ok, but new ones turn black quickly, or open that way. The little window previews on Safari tabs show what the windows are supposed to look like, but nonetheless the contents of the actual tabs are black. Similarly, email messages that were already open are ok, but new ones I open are entirely black. I've only had this problem since updating to Ventura (MacOS 13.1) a month or so ago. I'm using a MacBook Pro with an Apple M1 Pro chip and 32 GB of memory.


I don't have this problem when I use the Chrome browser, but I also don't have nearly as many windows and tabs open in that.

MacBook Pro 14″, macOS 13.1

Posted on Jan 23, 2023 12:37 PM

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Posted on Aug 30, 2023 4:27 PM

Same but different. I do get the black windows, so kind of GPU mishap, likely not handling the fragments each window so some times I'd see only part of the window MIA. However I have a similar bug which turns my windows magenta. This rarely happens unless I have AppleTV+.


The instance of this image in Photos crashes the app. I had to eventually just t take a snapshot with the phone.


So, the Mac will have a backing store as a series of small fragments on a visibility chain for each window that will naturally render it faster than just entire windows. I suspect that something is sending it looking towards other and wrong memory. There may be a test color used to pick out these things, as I use magenta for highlighting something that's not supposed to be right. But then how does ti corrupt an actual image itself, unless its maintaining the same memory map internally, but at some point of the bad pointers will cause a crash.


And I have Photos hanging instead of crashing one trying to display another one. The only way to get out of this is to reboot. Simply killing it and relaunching fails as it is automatically launching with that image.


This frequently is accompaied with a lot of bad video stuff, Windows flickering and the such. I was able to get a video to Apple about this but have heard nothing from them.




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May 4, 2023 8:54 AM in response to Caleco

MacBook Pro M1 16" 2021, 64GB RAM.

Dual Monitor, many windows & apps open. Sometimes I can "motivate" Safari to redraw the window by changing the size of the window a few times. Within Mail, sometimes attachments show. It seems to be a problem with html parts of Mails, only. Most of the time it helps to open a mail in a new window, sometimes not.

Neither Chrome nor Firefox have the same problem.

Memory is never an issue (Activity monitor shows: no swap used, only a few GB compressed, very low memory usage). Maybe video memory issue?

May 23, 2023 3:53 AM in response to Caleco

I have had the same problem for months with my M2 MacBook Air. I see it at work and home when connected to an external monitor. It does not seem to happen when only using the built-in display.


It only seems to affect web-like content rendering, like in Safari and Mail, so I think it is a Safari WebKit + graphics related software issue. The actual web page seems to be still rendered and working behind the black mask, because the scrollbar works when scrolling, and sometimes selecting content or drag/drop makes it appear.


One workaround I've found is changing the external display refresh rate (e.g. from 60 Hz to 75 Hz) which seems to force a complete reset of the relevant graphics subsystem and pages will then appear again temporarily. But it will then break again after this.


Chrome is also unaffected, so that's another workaround for web browsing. But I miss my iCloud Keychain passwords there.


I've disabled all Safari extensions and that doesn't help. I've also tried different USB-C connections and HDMI adapters, and I get the same situation sporadically with all of them. I tried looking in Console for Safari- and display-related errors, but didn't see anything relevant.


Hopefully Apple gets to the bottom of the problem and fixes it in an OS update because it is very annoying, and there is no good workaround. I imagine it is affecting a lot of people at Apple too.


May 25, 2023 5:16 PM in response to Caleco

In answer to some of the other replies to my original post: I don't have any of the "suspects" on my computer: I don't have Avast, Al Dente, OWC Dock Ejector, or AppTamer. I think it's a Ventura thing. I updated to 13.4 a couple days ago and haven't had it happen again yet... fingers crossed they fixed it in the latest update, but we'll see. Thanks to everyone who has shared their frustration and ideas here.

Jun 18, 2023 3:54 AM in response to Caleco

I have had the same problem (MacBook Pro 16, 2021, M1pro, 32gb) with the black windows. I just had an elaborate chat with a senior Apple Support employee who knew the problem.

She advised me to start in safe mode (startup with on/off button pushed) and then when you have the option to start with MacintoshHD click with L-shift pushed) and then after logging in, restart in normal mode. Apparently some changes occur then.

Until now (1 hour later) I still have no problems.

Will keep you informed it that changes for the worse.

Jun 18, 2023 6:14 AM in response to mathijs209

I know that starting in Safe mode runs an fsck disk repair, and it probably deletes some system caches as well; possibly one of those things had an effect on the issue. Even so, it is unlikely to fix whatever underlying issue actually triggers the problem, so it is possible that the problem will return at some point.

Jun 21, 2023 9:40 AM in response to Caleco

Same problem here. I am using a MBP M1 Max with 64 GB of memory with Ventura 13.4. I have none of the suspects installed. What helps for me is to close Apple Mail and once Mail is closed the black windows in Safari magically disappear... I therefore suspect it is a problem with Apple Mail which has become a very buggy program overall...

Jun 25, 2023 11:46 AM in response to Caleco

I've been hitting this for a while with MBP M1 Max with 64GB and it's frustrating that Safari windows randomly will go black but sometimes they can snap out of it. It doesn't feel like it was ever an issue with my Intel based laptops and definitely feels like an issue with the M series GPU because as others have posted, I see it happening with Maps as well. Eventually what ends up happening is a kernel panic and that results in the system restarting. I'd been hoping that an upgrade would fix it for a while but it doesn't seem to be happening.


I also have an excessive number of Safari windows and tabs which sounds like it might be a common theme here too.

Jul 21, 2023 6:40 PM in response to Caleco

Hey, bros, I am returning with good news, my MacBook without that problem for more than two weeks after reinstalling IDEA and resetting the external monitor. I don't know which solved this problem, but it really looks like returned to normal even haven't reinstalled the os system. I found the problem only arises when connected to the external monitor, so it might be some point that causes this problem, and my series of operations eliminated that point. hope these clues can help you guys.

Black windows in Safari and Mail in Ventura OS

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